Dave, I can't comment on Viking Queen, but it's great to read your post from a new location. And what a change in climate. You have lived all over. This will be a new challenge, dealing with the really cold weather. But didn't you live in eastern Idaho, too, which is pretty cold? What roses will you be growing in your new location? I'm thinking Ascot is really cold hardy and Colette, but that's just a guess. Over the years, I've observed that Brother Cadfael is one tough rose, too. I need to do some research, and there is little information beyond what the growers choose to tell us about a rose's cold hardiness. I wish you the best with your new roses and I look forward to lots of photos in the future. Diane

Dave welcome to Wyoming! I hope you are getting settled. I haven't tried Viking Queen but I've seen a good sized one in zone 5. I'd also recommend John Davis, Victorian Memory, and Blaze as climbers that will steadily increase in size without starting off from scratch every year.

How sheltered from the wind is your garden? That makes aaaallllllllll the difference!

Thank you Diane and Joey! It's good to be back home in the West with family, the mountains, and even snow. I had thought that if I ever moved from Missouri, I would move somewhere warmer, though, so I could finally grow some more tender rose varieties but things didn't work out that way but I'm still excited to experiment and learn something new. You're right, Diane, there isn't much information on many roses as far as cold hardiness other than what the growers provide and varying growing conditions in the same hardiness zone may contribute to the differences in what is reported (dry climate, loamy soil w/ snow cover vs. no snow cover, clay soil, and wet climate for example).

The areas I will be growing roses are in protected east and south facing locations for the most part. The place for this large shrub/climbing rose is less protected than the other locations but still mostly protected. I have considered Quadra and Mme. Plantier for this spot as well. Victorian Memory is beautiful and even if I don't grow it in that spot, I think I will go ahead and get it.

Here are the roses I have ordered:

OGR section (well, mostly):

Variegata di Bologna

Louise Odier

Mme Hardy

Crested Moss

Queen of Denmark

Crimson Globe

Paul Ricault

Umbra

Leda

Sydonie

La Reine

Tuscany Superb

Botrazis

Ispahan

Belle sans Flatterie

Belle de Crecy

The Fairy

Modern rose section:

Julia Child

Prarie Sunrise

Enchanted Autumn

Princess Charlene de Monaco

Champagne Wishes

Princess Alexandra of Kent

Eustacia Vye

The Country Parson (new to the US but hoping the scotch rose genes will mean there may just be a chance of survival here)

Bordeaux

Pretty Polly Lavender

Pots (overwintered in garage):

Abraham Darby

Top Cream

Sultry Nights

I plan on doing a hedge of Hansa

Joey, would you put gallon plants right into the ground in spring or do you grow them up in pots until they are larger? In the past, I have done this and only grown up band size plants in pots for a year before putting them in the ground. Let me know if you would not recommend any of these varieties or would recommend one over another.

Diane, I was looking at the website for Edwards Greenhouse you've raved about and it's impressive - they seem to have about everything. I may have to take a daytrip and go and see it this spring. Colette may be one to experiment with living here. Amazingly, it was cane hardy for me in zone 6a and so may it may survive here.

Your garden is going to be spectacular!

I would plant gallons out in spring. Usually I pot up bands in spring and grow them up for the summer, then get them in the ground around September 1 (unless they are going to be long term pot pets and then they go straight into their 30 gallon planters). That gives them enough time to establish before hard freezes. Anything gallon size or up that arrives in spring goes right into its spot.

Most of your list looks hardy although I know someone in zone 5 who lost a La Reine which is on your OGR list. Not to say it won't grow for you though. I'm looking forward to your updates on what works for you!

I know, La Reine is one I’m concerned about. Crossing my fingers - hopefully being well protected it’ll make it.

That’s a beautiful bloom of Sidonie @Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b). Yes, lets compare notes in the future.

Dave, what an impressive start you are off to. What a collection you have coming (and what a lot of work). Edwards roses are 5 gallon and well priced. One of the reasons I suggested Colette, aside from how tough she seems to me, is her pollen parent is Prairie Princess. Do you think that might improve her hardiness. Welcome back home.

Magpie, Sidonie is very beautiful. Have you seen Flowers' photos of her Ispahan? She's in zone 5. Diane

Dave, good luck with it all. I was in Minnesota z4, and Alaska z3 and did not try Viking Queen until I got here. I think it is worth a try though. I thought VQ originated in Minnesota.

Any of your newbies would size up faster if you potted them first. It is more work, and the gallon size could go it the ground right away, but they all will grow faster if potted up until Fall planting like Joey says. I would put grafted big roses right in the ground but many Alaskans even potted them up.

Where on earth did you find Umbra?

Thanks for your advice, Sheila - I appreciate it! RVR had Umbra available yesterday and so I purchased it but hopefully it really is Umbra. Hopefully I can find a new Marianne, too.

Thank you, Dave. Now I just ordered an Umbra too from RVRs. I had kept checking back and it was never in stock until you said this.

Paul Barden on this site periodically offers Marianne here and I grabbed one from him for my second, because it is so beautiful!

Let us hope we get the "real" Umbra from RVRs. Last try of mine, I got Ulrich Brunner Fils which is also a wonderful rose, but was not Umbra. :-(

Now, right after I got my order in, RVRs is listing sold out for Umbra. They don't last long.

Etienne is now listed as in stock at the moment.

Sheila, I'm glad you got the last one!

@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR - Ditto what Feiy Lo said - I hope this one is the real thing for you this time. I was supposedly subscribed to be notified when Umbra and most of Paul’s roses are back in stock but was never notified. I’ve only been fortunate to purchase a few when randomly checking RVRs website.

Dave, now I ordered Etienne, Carolyn Supinger, and a scots rose Dominie Sampson thanks to you, besides Umbra. Something has to be the "real" thing.

That‘s a great order! I wish I had seen Carolyn Supinger was in stock when originally placed my order - I’d really like to grow this rose in a pot. RVR won’t combine orders to reduce shipping costs, though though, and with shipping it is over $40 for a band - it’s a bit much.

I called RVRs and too found out no combining orders and no more pick up in person. It is all too time consuming when nurseries are hanging on by a thread. Mine ship 2/28/22 hopefully, so not too long to wait.

I too did not see Carolyn listed under Paul Barden Roses on the web site. If I would have, I would have made one order too.

On another front I talked to Debbie at Silverstar Vinery (clematis) and she is giving out and near retirement. She might have one more selling effort but may not ship. She is shot.

That’s sad to hear about Silverstar. Wow, with Joy Creek now gone and next Silverstar, it leaves fewer good online nurseries to buy from. Hopefully Brushwood will be sticking around.

I went ahead and purchased Carolyn Supinger. I may cancel my order for Sultry Nights (a new Weeks rose) since the colors are similar and know I’m going to like Carolyn Supinger. I added JBM Camm - another Bourbon that may survive my cold climate.

A deeper pink than Viking Queen, but a very hardy, large flowered, short climber in z5 is Madame Isaac Pereire. She is known for her strong fragrance. You know your roses, so I'm sure you've thought of her. I wouldn't hesitate to try her in your colder zone. I don't grow many of the roses on your list, but the ones I do are all very hardy here. I would love to see your Hansa hedge. Similar to Hansa is Rosearie de l'Hay, very fragrant and super hardy. Mine survives without any care and keeps it's nice shape.

Thank you @flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA. I had thought MIP was more tender but if she does well for you I will have to try her here. I had her for a short time in MO but she was a diseased mess but now that I live in a dry climate, she should do better, I assume.

I had debated between Roseraie de l’Hay and Hansa and ended up going with Hansa for the hips but I would like to grow Roseraie de l’Hay still. One rose I forgot to put down is Parfume de l’Hay - it will be going at the front of the border.

Dave, if you get to Edwards, I hope their massive clematis display is out for you to see. I think they have anything that Brushwood would be selling. Diane

I definitely hope to this spring, Diane - I bet it’s amazing. When would you recommend going?

I'll be checking Edwards out tomorrow, so I can better tell you about the clematis after that. But the roses have been in the greenhouse since January, and some are sold out already. I didn't realize until today that preordering online ended Feb 15, so you now have to reserve your roses in person. I usually wait until early May or so to pick mine up. They keep prepaid roses in a special greenhouse until you pick yours up. You can also take your roses with you immediately once you've paid. I've done this, too. And I assume that is what you would want to do. So anytime is OK to check out the roses. The perennials and annuals aren't out yet, I assume, but I'll know about that tomorrow. They also sell a huge selection of veggies, herbs, hot peppers, etc. The list that showed sold out roses is no longer up, so only the pdf file list is available to look at. Diane

Dave, if you google Edwards Greenhouse Boise, the listing for Edwards that comes up has a "plant lists" heading. Click on that and you can see the list of clematis currently available. But the rose list is down--don't know why. Diane