I would pot them up and give them A chance to get with it. If not, keep the shovel close by.

I am pretty ruthless because there are so many roses that I still want to try so losers better look out.

If they dont make you happy in year 3 or 4.

I agree with Sheila. I give a rose 3 years and if it doesn’t perform then out it goes. I’m going into my third year with Just Joey. She was still only one foot high at the end of her second year with a handful of blooms all year. Her blooms are beautiful when they’re there and the scent amazing, but if she doesn’t perform this year I’m done with her.

Yes, I agree with everyone here. Three years sounds about right....but I have gotten rid of roses before that. But, my goodness!!! Those blooms sing to me!!! :) :)

thanks everyone, I think I will move both of them to a raise bed with nice fluffy soil to see if they get better! I really dont want to shovel prune them :(

I hav e had a couple of roses that didnt wow me but there was just something that I loved about them so I let them stay and maybe they aren't the biggest bloomers but they somehow won me over.

Moving to a different area might just be the perfect solution. At least you will know that you tried everything.

I agree with Sheila also. You might want to check the soil conditions. If for some reason they are not getting water, (or too much), you can just adjust the watering. I sometimes dig up poorly growing roses and pot them for a season, but I know that this will also disrupt the roots that are established. It’s worth a try if the plants might have been planted out when they were too small, and are having trouble putting on size.

? re: soil to repot ?

From someone who's terrible with pots. Is the repot in wiki, so that one can maintain/grow it in a more maintained condition to see hot it grows.

Ceres, while I have no experience with A Shropshire Lad, I have grown four Eglantyne over the course of many years and two locations. My plants were all grafted--are yours? This can make a difference. I think she needs to be grafted. Was E a small plant or a bare root when you started growing her? Bare roots are two years old and can really take off if they like the spot they are growing in. Eglantyne grew quickly for me, but she can be quirky, sometimes, blooming beautifully one season, and not so well during another. Lots of water is always good, and is the best fertilizer of all. I'd definitely give Eglantyne more time. Good luck. Diane

Eglantyne during hellishly hot summer of 2021

Ahhh Diaane!!! you can do no wrong my friend! she has not even reached 2ft in 2 y!! the only thing i can think of is that she is next to my porch. she is grafted. @Diane Brakefield

@noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) i may try potting her. if even in perfect soil she doesnt perform than i know is not me its her 🤣

You mean it's the poor, innocent rose's fault? Aww. I do plenty wrong, Ceres. I don't think it's the soil, though it could be. If Eglantyne has plenty of sun and water, she should be fine, though Rose Tone would be good, too. But If you want to try potting her, maybe that's the solution. You know, I've never grown a rose in a pot. I hope you keep growing her for another year, though. Diane

Ceres - Go for it! I've had a number of roses that turned out to be me. Also a number of them that it turned out to be them. Then there are some that I wonder...because maybe, just maybe I thought it was them, but maybe they just needed more time...(rolling eyes here).