thank you rosecanadian!

You're welcome, BTW, don't let the Kordes, "Arborose," attachment to the names of their climbers lead you to believe their assertion that such designated climbers are well restrained in growth. I can't speak for all their, "Arborose," climbers, but my Quicksilver Arborose is showing itself to be well capable of covering 1/2 of your gazebo. It has effortlessly covered a 4' high fence, 4.5+' in each direction (9+' total), so far, and started as a tiny slip of a thing 3 yrs. ago. It's still a growing juvenile. How large it will mature out as looks to be apprehensively yet welcomely scary!

Moses

Moses, as I understand it, the Arborose series is much like the veranda series in that the roses within the series can vary dramatically in terms of size and habit! I ordered Quicksilver too, but with everything I’ve read, it is going on the trellis against the fence. I read a ton of reviews prior to selecting the climbers, but I was selecting them for a different purpose and I don’t know if any of them are what I want on the gazebo.

If you plant clematis, plant type 2. You don't want to cut them to the ground every spring.

In my Maryland garden, Kordes roses are the best as far as overall health is concerned. Except for knockouts. I've grown a few westerland and they get some BS, but it doesn't seem to phase them. They get big, but not overwhelmingly so. Canes get up to maybe 10'. I just planted a kiss me kate this year. So far, so good, but it's only a foot tall and hasn't bloomed yet. I have little to no BS so far this year. Only aphids and mushrooms. I've successfully grown hundreds of mushrooms in my rose garden.

I had a Madame Alfred Carrière years ago. From what I remember, the canes are long, but thin. So it gets big, but not heavy. It didn't like winters. Seems to prefer warmer climates.

Diane that Sephy is the most beautiful I have ever seen. She is a huge blackspot magnet here, but it makes me want to try it again. What I really want to have is your gorgeous Colette. I am saving her on my list for the day we build a new house in our farmland. I also think everything I have read says she has pretty good disease resistance.

Markay congratulations on your wedding. The arbor is magnificent. Many of your roses would probably look great on it, but not if you do not want to spray it. The new Kordes seem to have great disease resistance and grow a lot larger than the listed size so I think any of them would work. Mac gets very large but here in zone 7b I have two and they are around 6 feet tall after 3 years. I am sure they will get large with enough time but she isn’t a huge monster here like she would be in a warmer area I think. All that to say I do not think she would overwhelm your arbor. NOW Mel’s heritage is in my opinion from your list the perfect rose for that arbor. The canes are so flexible you can shape them tight around your structure and it has great disease resistance.

baby Mel’s heritage 2 years old

Mature Mels heritage probably 5 years old ready

In cooler weather it looks a bit more peach

Warmer temps is more pink

Ultimately you need to choose what makes your heart sing so if Mel isn’t your top favorite forget everything I just said. All the roses in your list are beautiful. Also all roses need maintenance pruning to look great, so no matter which rose you pick you will have to prune it. I mentioned Colette in my post to Diane. She is not one of those you already ordered, but she is a glorious rose. Her color would pair beautifully with Mel’s. Look up Diane’s arbor in the old posts so you can see how beautiful it is.

@charles kidder, with all the weekend rain, I’m sure your mushrooms are thriving! thanks for then info on MAC. I got mine last year and she made it yhrough thd worst winter we’ve had in several years without any die back. I an encouraged to know she’ll stay a manageable size here.

@dianela7analabama, Oh man!!! I am so glad I ordered Mel’s Heritage. seeing your pics is definitely selling me on using her! Beautiful! I’m going to look up Colette next. Thank you also for the congratulations.

Markay,

It's apparent you did your research in selecting your climbers. Every one is top of the chart quality. May your marriage and your roses exceed all your expectations!

Moses

Thanks Moses!

Markay, what a fabulous gazebo!! It will be the showpiece of the yard.

I am late to the clematis party but ordered 4 this year. I picked 4 that bloom from June thru Sept so lots of bang for the buck

A combination of roses and clematis would be stunning.

Congratulations on your marrage

May you be blessed with many happy and fulfilling years

Thank you Kristine! I definitely plan to pair in Clematis. A local nursery had a bunch that looked great, but i passed because I didn’t know where I could put them. Problem solved! 😂

Dianela - holy cow!!! Those are AMAZING!!! Paul Barden really gave the world an excellent rose when he hybridized Mel's Heritage!! I'm in awe!!

Thank you Carol 🥰. Yesss Paul Barden has some amazing roses and Mel’s heritage is certainly a special one. Did I mentioned extremely fragrant also? I have 4 I purchased from Rogue Valley roses and just love them.

With so many blooms Mel's Heritage must perfume your whole yard! :) :)

Pink(kiss me Kate, spirit of freedom), perfume breeze. Lady ashe is a very good rose for me, but very short climber, she's more of semi wide shrub(love it because she does not require much maintenance). Florentina now is a beast and will fill that arbor fast. Quicksilber and red eden are amazing. Below are Lady ashe, florentina,heaven on earth,

Leonardo de vinci, lady ashe again and laguna..these are starting to bloom

Those are beautiful @purilisaVA-zone7B! I love the form of Leonardo de Vinci.

Oooh!! I love them all...I think the last one is my favorite!

@Markay MD-Zone 7B Thank you, leonardon is very healthy and can be grown as a climber. Here he is today

There is actually a climbing Leonardo listed on HMF. Purilisa, I love your rose. Leo is a favorite of mine that I wish I were growing. Below is climbing Leo featured in Better Homes & Gardens a few years ago. It's covering a cottage on Long Island. Diane

Purilisa - Wow!! You grow that very well!! Beautiful!! :) :)

Diane - talk about vigorous and utterly fabulous!!

I have eden growing up in front of one side, and biedermeier and pompon veranda on the other.

@Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6, might I ask where you got your Quicksilver? I'm really having a hard time making this rose happy. The one I got from Heirloom died, as did the one I got from Roses Unlimited (which really surprised me - it did great its first year, but then this year it just died back to nothing). I now have two - one I got from Northland, which is very tiny and not doing much (its 2 years in my garden now). The other I got from Regan. It seems to be doing pretty well, also in its second year, I'd say its about 4.5 feet tall and looks healthy if not huge. But I can't figure what I'm doing wrong! Most of my other roses do fine, I just don't get why this rose struggles for me, and was wondering if your supplier had an especially vigorous strain or something? Our climates can't be that different, so I just really wonder. Any thoughts most welcome, and thanks!

@User I've never grown Quicksilver, but the thing I notice from your post is that Heirloom, RU, and Northland all sell own root roses, and Regan sells grafted bare roots. That might be (at least) a part of the reason that the one from Regan is doing better for you. Just something to consider (?).

You are missing one of the best!

Eden

it's a gorgeous rose and could probably cover more than half that entire gazebo.

@susan9santabarbara, thanks! I did think of that, but I went to the Regan website and they claim they sell Quicksilver own-root. I can't remember how mine was when it arrived, whether it looked like a graft or not. I'm not sure I'm aware of anybody selling Quicksilver as a graft, it may be worth looking for! Hopefully Moses will weigh in with a source for a vigorous specimen!

great garden plants has it

Eden

Diane - Elaine's garden? Absolutely top-notch and EXQUISITE!!!

@Diane Brakefield those are ridiculous and exactly what I want! I can only hope to grow roses as beautiful as those!

Aaron, I'll pass your compliments on to my friend, Elaine (that Eden is hers), an expert gardener and geezer like me. Her garden is the size of many parks. Diane

Man… now I want Eden too, i love globular roses!

@User You are right that Regan sells some own-root roses. I went to check, and indeed their Quicksilver is own-root. I went to HMF, and found the only other (usually) grafted source is Edmunds; all of the other sources are the usual own-root places. So I went to Edmund's website, and indeed, theirs is also own-root. So clearly, this rose is only available own-root :-D

I'm pretty Elaine's Eden (above) is grafted. Diane

You could plant 1 Eden and 1 pretty in pink Eden and let them mingle. That would be dreamy. The plant some complementary short roses in front Such as pompom veranda.

So if Eden does best grafted then I would need to find it grafted on multiflora and thst means Palatine. I wasn’t able to get an order with them this season. I guess we’ll see how next season goes.

seeing the thorniness of Mel’s Heritage gave me pause on using it there. hmmmm

I’ve heard it would do fine on own roots. Try to get it from heirloom or maybe David austin.

Elaine's is on Huey, I'm sure. I'll ask where she got it, but it was some time ago. Diane

Quicksilver we'll get huge on it. Peggy martin will as well. Thornless also basically. If you want thornless I might consider it A long with felix leclerc, Victorian memory and raspberry cream twirl. Mme Alfred carrier Could also be included. Peggy on her own wood cover the whole thing probably

I planted Mel’s Heritage but it turned out to not be Mel’ Heritage (Polka and Honeymoon were also mislabeled! It was ). After that, I planted Annie Laurie McDowell and Raspberry Cream Twirl. Now… I am seeing that ALD is likely never going to get very big. Considering adding a 3rd rose, but wondering if this would be too much especially if I add something that could swallow up the whole thing like Peggy Martin. Would the roses intermingle or would the most vigorous rose just swamp the other 2?

For those who grow Raspberry cream twirl, how big should I expect it to get?

Markay, in my very different climate, Raspberry Cream Twirl is easily 6-8’ wide and would grow over a 7’ wall if I let it. Long arching canes.

I’m trying to post photos …I think 8’ wide is an exaggeration. More like 4 to 6’.

With apologies for the dead mcrowave in the forefround, here is RCP in 5/24.

This gives a good idea of its height. The wall is 7’ on the left, 8’ on the right.

Beautiful rose, Sylvia, with a perfect backdrop of a stone wall. Could you, perhaps, let the rose grow to cover the microwave? I couldn't resist, and I apologize, but I really mean it about Raspberry Cream Twirl being beautiful. Diane

Oh, yeah!! That first pic is gorgeous, Sylvia!!! Mmmmm :) :)

Wow Sylvia! You have a beauty there and I appreciate the info on the size! I love ALD and RTC, but I doubt either of them with cover the structure.

Thinking again of adding MAC as a 3rd rose (reading old threads about her size scared me off before) or acquiring a Peggy Martin. I love the picture @Diane Brakefield shared of her friend Elaine’s gazebo earlier in the thread so I think I’m just gonna go big and if RCT or ALD need more space I will move them and put them on pillars somewhere else.

Markay, another possibility might be Colette, which would overwhelm the two roses already growing on the arbor. Diane

Geez, which would NOT overwhelm the two roses......Diane

My goodness, even if it did, I certainly wouldn't complain.

Diane, Colette is a gorgeous rose, but according to Michael Gerhart, she is very susceptible to a particular strain of blackspot on the East coast and I’m pretty sure I have ALL the strains here.

Diane, the microwave was in the patio awaiting pickup … we had to keep it away from the walkway. Although if I could hoist the dead appliance to mid-wall level, RCT would cover it easily. Missed opportunity.