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Hiding closet doors...advanced edition

4 years ago
last modified: 4 years ago

Hi.
Picture a 10 foot wall. Behind 6 feet of that wall will be the laundry closet. To the casual observer, the wall will look like one solid wall covered in vertical oak sheets of paneling. I want to pull a handle and have the left 2/3rds open and hide somehow into the wall. Now this could be 2 3' doors that are hinged in the middle and individually slide into their respective sides of the laundry closet. Or they open into smaller hinged panels that hide behind that one third on the right I'm open to what ever options hide the doors and get them out of the way. There was a European company that made hardware to do this but it stopped selling it. The doors will be heavy so perhaps this is a really complicated deal. Has anyone seem anything like this? For kitchen cabinets for light/smaller cabinet doors, rockler sells sliding hinges. But these doors will be beasts.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Extra - in the area below - to give you perspective - the wall is 10 feet wide. We are focused on the red area. The "b78" is the vanity in the master bathroom. And obviously the thing that looks like the toilet...is the toilet. I'm going to share in the plumbing so that the whole region will work on the same drain pipes and water supplies.


That red - can be the doors. They could fold up into the unit like the second photo but that takes away some wall space. The third option - the one I prefer pulls them to the side but it requires you to fold it into the room a bit.




Comments (13)

  • PRO
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Mystery meat. A picture, a drawing.................... something. Signed , casual reader.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    That’s 10K worth of Sugutsune hardware and 60K worth of someone who is skilled and experienced enough to make any that happen where it looks like someone didn’t waste 10K on hardware and ego.

    Neil Fennessey thanked User
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    It looks a lot like the lateral door opening system but not sure it could take the weight of two 3' wide panels. The key is for both panels to open to the one side. I'll ask them. Thanks and no, it won't be 10K worth of hardware ;-)


    And this looks like it could be the solution: https://www.richelieu.com/ca/en/category/sliding-system-solutions/sliding-solutions-for-cabinet-and-furniture-applications/hawa-folding-concepta-25-with-soft-close-hinges/1183393?nf_1018560=%281341026%2C1341025%29


    Key is to get that door to not weigh too much. That is the deciding factor. These are great links though - thanks everyone.



  • PRO
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    So you do not want to share pics of your ideas and space then no help coming here. I find Lee Valley a lot better for hardware for special uses . Why do you need handles at all why not just push hardawre to allow opening How wide are the panels can we see the panels ? Why oak ? Have you checked out Blum for hardware.I assume this is kind of the look you want


  • 4 years ago

    Neil. It looks like with either option you’ll be taking up wall space. Currently you are taking up laundry wall spacing. The way you want it, it looks like it will take up possible hallway space preventing you from hanging a picture or placing a table and art or flowers. Have you considered double or French bi-fold doors? You’ll get the benefit of both. Open wall space in the laundry and the hall.

    Additionally you could use the track system used for closets. You mount the glide rail to the ceiling pop in qty3 3’ doors and that way you can slide all the way to left or right or center. They have them where there would be 3 tracks. Only difference with this is. They will not be flush to wall because each panel will be on a track inside of that and so forth.

    Another option would be to consider shower door hardware. Those slide as well. You don’t have to have glass and likely would want that since it’s concealing laundry due to the high vibrations. Not worth an accident but there’s hardware that could work. Hope this helps. Hope you’re open to share the finished results.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Toilets nned different drains than sinks so not sure what you are planning there but IMO get a plumber before you really make a mess. I am really not sure why tis has to be invisible and how deep is that space for the W/D IMO it does not look deep enough .

  • 4 years ago

    Sliding doors will not be hidden. You will either need Rixson type pivot hinges for doors that will otherwise swing open like a regular set of French doors, or a Soss type hidden hinge for swinging doors on a mudded in jamb, or some heavy duty pocket hardware that may not look great if the doors are open.

    There will be a noticeable gap around the pivot doors since they need room to pivot. I have four pivot doors over a closet. The hardware is pricey and executing something that had to be dead level, flat, and plum in a house that was none of the above was challenging. Bifold or barn doors installation can be measured in hours. My closet door installation was measured in a week plus.

    It was nowhere near $70k. However I used regular paint grade slab doors because each door was covered in one panel of an antique wallpaper mural. It wasn't meant to be hidden, it was meant to appear as a screen. Slightly less slick.

    I did do a minimal box type installation in about 2005 with regular hidden hardware and an integrated fridge, and excluding the fridge it came in at under $20,000 in slip matched veneers.


  • 4 years ago

    Its hard to tell but the hallway is 66" inches wide but those 2 3' doors could be 3 2' doors. It will take up space while opening. Thats a good reminder.


    The closet is 40" deep and 6' wide.


    The plumber will handle the plumbing. I just need to put the holes in the floor but that's a great point.


    Opening those doors is something we will have to remember


    This is all great

  • 4 years ago

    And that was in a 10 foot ceiling and it had a museum reveal floating off an unlevel floor, and it floated about 8" off the ceiling above.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Palimpsest- care to share a picture of yours so we can get the understand your attempting to provide. Thanks.

  • 4 years ago

    I'm not raising the roof 2 feet ;)

  • 4 years ago

    Neil. Just realized you can get your setup and have side shelving. It’ll be like never loosing laundry wall space. Use hanging shelves. Much like in kitchens. They are floating but from hanging supports from the ceiling. The only thing for this option is, it depends on where these doors pivot and slide along the wall.