Compost is always good. Did you have the soil tested?

tj

You do neat work.

What’s the mature width of the roses you hope to grow? 3’? If so, your bed should be 4’ wide (3’ for the rose + 1’ empty space behind for clearance for maintaining the structure behind them).

Make the bed wider. 4' is about the minimum width you should be aiming for. And adding compost or other organic matter to unamended soil is always a good idea. Both roses and peonies appreciate an enriched soil.

Ok so think the depth is 2 shovel or 18 inches deep.
And width is probably two feet!! Is that not side enough? And thank you I had my husband do the digging. Lol

Since you intend to grow roses and peonies, two feet wide isn't enough. Please make the bed four feet wide so the roses aren't pressed up against the deck. Don't dig it any deeper - you want to keep the native soil and add compost.

Ok no I have a climber new dawn that I’m planing to place in there

Thank you I will make it wider! I’m planing to put two climbers in that bed. One new dawn and one ZD. And a couple peonies

'New Dawn' Oh my! That would be the rose that ate Tokyo. What is the space on the other side of the fence? Is that an inflatable rubber raft I see? Buy some repair patches.

Oh the other side of the fence is my deck and I m planing to build a pergola on it and I’ll have New dawn climb in my pergola.

Lol I know. I like to take on a new challenge!!!

Oh I see what u were looking at. It’s a kiddie pool. Lol

I’ll move it

I hate to make my grass space any smaller for the kids. I also don’t want my new dawn to not grow and have stunted growth due to limitation. I may just ride with this spce… I heard somewhere that new dawn will grow as big deep in the soil as big it is on the top. That’s why I asked

'New Dawn' around kiddies and their pools on the railing of your deck does not sound like a good combo. Build the pergola before you plant the rose and prepare for strong bondage.

Right. Got it Jordan. The OP intent is to keep the bed as narrow as possible for the rose that ate Tokyo so as not to give up any play space for the kiddies. On troll patrol tonight I see.

The word ”deep” used in the context of flowerbeds means the distance from the back to the front of the bed, or in other words, from the house to the outer bed edge. Not deep as in digging down into the ground.

Your bed looks like it’s only about 2’ deep. Not nearly enough for a rose, IMO.

Have you already bought New Dawn? I would not plant it anywhere where people are likely to brush against it. It is very vigorous and extremely thorny. And I agree that the bed needs to be twice that width if you are going to allow your plants to reach their full potential and not be hacking them back and tying them in constantly. And if you go with New Dawn that will be a very painful job. You’ll be torn to shreds.

Planting Zepherine Drouhin on one corner of a pergola trained above your deck will be spectacular. Please consider planting a clematis on the other corner. Your space isn't large enough for two big climbing roses.

I totally understand your love of roses - I grew over one hundred roses at my previous home. You're smart to plan out this project and seek advice. There is a separate forum called "Roses" where you can talk to other serious rose lovers. I wish you had posted this question to the Roses forum.

Years ago we grew New Dawn up a pergola and along a swag chain. Beautiful rose but VERY painful to work with and, because it is very vigorous, it needed a lot of working with. It was also dangerous for people walking by it! We eventually removed it and replaced it with clematis. Think carefully about using it in that space with kids!

I see a wall black in the photo. I assume you're going to build a little wall around the bed. The wall black looks like a 6" deep one, so you'll lose 6" from that. You need to widen the bed at least 6" to plant a climber. A lot easier to widen before making the soil flat for the blocks than to widen it later.

Hi everyone. You guys gave me a lot to think about my choices lol. I don’t think I’ll be planting new dawn in that flower bed/

Oh wow! Jordan I love ur flower bed. I don’t want to make a raised bed actually

But I will add edging

Hi Jordan. Lol I didn’t make it wider. I left it as is. I didn’t plant new dawn in it yet. I dug it out 18 inches deep and then added the native soil, and 1:1 ratio of manure and top soil. And then turning it and wrecking it I planted a queen of elegance rose. I m not happy with the my soil. Because as I water it gets too wet. And then too dry in few hours. I feel like it’s not retaining water good enough. I did a soil test by mixing it in water and letting it sit. And it shows that I have quiet a bit porous sand in there. So I’m assuming sand is not leaching out all the moistures.

This is my rose planted in that flower bed. I ll take a picture from far and post it tomm. I also have noticed that roses leaves are curling in abnormal shape and rose just died after two days of planting it. Idk any advice will be helpful. What do I do to amend this soil to be loamy. I thought 1:1 ratio of compost and topsoil will do that job.

And I’m waiting on to add edging on my next day off.

These are the curling of leaves and withered flower. Making me so sad.

And I’m keep on forgetting deep in gardening language means wider. I didn’t make it any wider .