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511 mix questions

4 years ago

Good afternoon all,


Thank you for this forum. I have read through many threads regarding 511 and learned so much regarding PWT and soil composition. It seems to make sense given my experience/frustrations with container gardening.


I wanted to get some input on my specific set up and concerns I may have discovered. I have had trouble locating the park fines in my area. I am in phoenix az and this seems to be a sorta doable for replacement.

Gardentime 2 cu. ft. Pathway Bark GT 00023 (homedepot.com)


I have used it in gritty mix and it seems to be doing well for my cacti in them. I saw someone else mention this bark on another 511 thread and it seems to match up with Al's 511 pic that he uses frequently show his 511 mix.


Back to 511.


At first when I sifted the bark that I linked above, I had used a sieve of 1 mm/0.04 inch. I then realized that it had too much dust for my liking, so I resifted it with sieve measuring 3mm/0.11 inches. (I got on amazon, used for bonsai). This left me with little to no dust.


Because of many failed attempts of different potting mixes in the past I have tried, I have lots of old soil with perlite, pumice and peat/coir in them. I don't want to throw this away so I have sifted with the 3mm/0.11 in sieve to save what I can. This leaves me with perlite, pumice, and minimal forest twigs/bark bits from other mixes. I plan to mix this in to the 5-part Pine bark, 1 part pumice/perlite mix I have already premade. The leftovers were stored in various fabric grow bags and some plastic pots.


I am not using any peat/coir because I have had many issues with water retention in the past that I would almost rather make a middle point between this and gritty mix, something like 5 parts pine bark mulch and 3 parts perlite/pumice. I tend to overwater (I have doubts regarding this, maybe confirm?) but even when Al mentions the PWT and the idea that people should be able to water freely without worry of killing plants, I still fear I will drown my plants because of watering habits. Note: When I water using my garden Nosel on shower setting, I normally water maybe 5 seconds max on a plant, which does not seem like it would be overwatering. Even in 110 plus degree days it may be 3 days until I water again. When I hear people have to water 1 or more in a day, it seems preposterous to me given my history.

1) Is the 5 part pine bark 3 part pumice/perlite a doable mix given this idea? I do have a jalapeno that is in a 511 like mix and it is hanging on. Most of its leaves are gone but I think it should bounce back once it begins cooling down.

2) Does my watering seem off to you?


My second area of concern is that today I was finishing preparing new pots for planting I will do in a few weeks. I took some 5-1 mix I had premade a few weeks ago and put it in new pot. I then mixed in a bit of the leftovers of pumice/perlite/bark that I saved. All the grow bags were fine. In one of the plastic pots where I had stored the 5-1 mix, the top of the mix was fine, but down toward the bottom of the pot, there was some white fuzzy mold growing. These pots are in my car port and no direct sunlight reached them.


  1. Is the fungus/mold a problem? 2) Will this harm the plants?


I searched and found in another article here that mold is impossible to ignore. I just want to actually have a successful garden and harvest things. Please let me know if I need to clarify anything.


Thank you for your reading. Thank you in advance for any advice/feedback/tips. Anything is greatly appreciated.


-Stephen

Comments (4)

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I can't speak to the mold, but checking out that mulch pic it looks like the bag is way more sapwood (splinter-y, non-bark pieces) than pine bark. Sapwood retains water differently, takes up space different, and tends to sap nitrogen--it is recommended to minimize/eliminate these pieces from the mix. It's tedious as can be, but for perspective it takes me 2+ hours to fully sift through one bag of mulch (sieve out the bigs and the fines) and pick out sapwood. My plants in 5-1-1 are thriving, and seem to well-tolerate watering neglect (it has been hard to under water them so far as long as i tend 1x/week).

    Of note--is there some degree of clearance between the bottom of your pot and where it drains into? Blocked drainage holes prevent air-flow--you might find that your pots dry faster if lifted a bit to expose the drainage hole.

  • 3 years ago

    Thank you for the comment. I gave up on the mix. Too many what ifs and realizing,just as you pointed out, it is sapwood.


    Im making a true 511 now. It is currently liming. Fingers crossed i can get a plant to survive in it lol.

  • 3 years ago

    You're welcome! This post randomly showed on my sidebar, I didn't realize it was 2 years old!


    Good luck with your 511--here's a picture of my most recent batch:




  • 3 years ago

    This may be too little too late, but figured I would chime in anyway in case OP continues to play with bark based mixes. I also live in metro Phoenix and use the bark from HD linked above. I don't really screen it though, that always seemed like too much work.


    I have found that I have to take watering schedules with a grain of salt. So many other factors go into it. What you are growing, what rootstock it uses, the size of the mix relative to the rootball, etc. I have a peach tree in 5-3-2 (bark:perlite:peat). The rootball takes a big portion of the pot. I water this daily in summer because it struggles when I don't. It's always been less fussy than my citrus. I have some sour orange seedlings in small propagation trays. I also water those daily and they are very tolerant of my watering habits. My meiwa kumquat (on macrophylla) is in the same 5-3-2 mix and gets water every two days. It's rootball doesn't fill the pot as much as the peach tree. It's also never shown me symptoms of overwatering. My Meyer lemon and Ruby Red grapefruit, purchased from the big box store and so likely on C-35 rootstock, have been tricky to water properly. These have been in larger pots relative to their rootballs. Historically, I could not water them more than twice a week in the summer without getting yellow leaf drop. This is the first summer they have really thrived. They look full, green, and happy, and have been actively growing all summer. Usually I just hope they survive summer. This summer I've watered them every two days. I don't know if they are just more mature now, their rootballs are bigger, or for some reason every other day is their sweet spot (I've tried this in the past to deleterious effect).

    All that to say, I've never found the blanket statement that you can water unrestricted to be true. But, you can have success with that bark. Several factors, like tree, size, and container will also impact your watering needs.

    Finally, I do question your watering practices. 5 seconds with the hose nozzle does not seem like an adequate watering. Most of that is probably running down the sides. It's frequency, not quantity, you have you watch out for with overwatering. Really drench that rootball. Then let it sit for a few days. I bet if you pulled the tree out after a 5 second watering, you'd find the rootball completely dry.

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