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Rose I.D. help--PAOK? Jubilee Celebration? Something else?

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

There are two rose bushes where I work in Portland, Oregon in a fair amount of shade (only a few hours of afternoon sun total) and they thrive. The have very few thorns...not thornless, but almost--nearly smooth stems. The plants grow tall (5' - 6') or so and then start to arch over a bit. It throws out gorgeous long canes every year, topped with lush, deep blooms.

The blooms are huge (at least 4") and so fragrant. It's not old rose exactly, but it's not myrrh either--somewhere between the two? Maybe fruity? I wouldn't say I'm a scent expert, but I feel that it's not a tea scent. (That's probably not terribly helpful). You can see from the photos that the shading on the rose changes from the center (darker) outward. The blooms last several days in a vase, no problem. Thick with petals. Pink mostly, but I have observed some coral/peach tones in it at times (maybe it's weather contingent). Most of the time it's a range of light to dark pink.

In my observation, the bush is almost disease free. I've seen only the tiniest bit of powdery mildew which seems to resolve itself each season because we don't spray at work. The leaves have a somewhat crinkled look as well at times. If you look at the photo of the entire bush, you will get an idea. In that photo it is 6' tall. But otherwise they are a medium green, and a bit shiny. Not super shiny HT shiny, but a bit shiny.

Lastly, she takes from cuttings easily. I've taken a dozen or so and every single one struck and has turned (quickly) into a very large plant. Gave those away.

She might not be an Austin, but the head gardener thought they were donated from a woman's garden who loved Austins.

Any ideas? I'd love to know what it is, but also to know so that I don't buy the same one from DA.

The photos are of the mother plant at my work and of blooms from one of its cuttings in my own garden.















Comments (17)

  • 2 years ago

    After a bit more research (I thought I had done quite a bit too!) it seems that this may actually be PAOK. Posts from others of you have described this rose (including the occasional coral color that PAOK can display) very much like what I have seen.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    I think it looks like PAOK.

  • 2 years ago

    Me too.

    User thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 2 years ago

    @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR @sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) THANK YOU! It is a pretty amazing rose because it gets little sun and water and it blooms constantly!

  • 2 years ago

    I agree, it looks similar to my PAoK.

    My JCs tend to stay more cupped, and are a dustier/peachy pink with blooms that tend to nod.


  • 2 years ago



    Does your rose look like these two photos? This is PAoK. Note a slight salmon cast to the blooms. Diane

  • 2 years ago

    Thanks @Nick 10bSW17 and @Diane Brakefield definity is PAOK. I am so glad I got it for ”free”. All six cuttings rooted quickly so know you can easily make more. It’s not under patent any longer.

  • 2 years ago

    Watch out, Robert. Six PAoK will take over your garden, yard, and invade your home, sort of like Sleeping Beauty's Castle and the thorny vines. Diane

  • 2 years ago

    Oops, PAoK is still under patent, which was granted in 2009 in the US. Diane

  • 2 years ago

    Does anyone think this rose might be Bishop’s Castle? The photos I have seen of BC look similar, although the blooms look like they come in large sprays? My mystery rose does not seem to bloom like that. But the crinkles on the veins of the leaves of BC look similar. Just curious.

  • last year
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    My immediate respone seeing the first photo was PAoK. It’s not Bishop’s Castle which blooms in sprays of up to 50 or so, and is not as densely petalled. BC is also paler pink and doesn't fade on outer petals. BC also has a powdery cosmetic-like scent whereas PAoK has a more fruity, sometimes a hint of lemon that BC never has, if that helps. My PAoK opens coral and fades to pink which fades as the flower ages. I don’t see coral buds on yours, but i don’t know if PAoK does that for everyone.

  • last year

    The fragrance sounds right to me, and this rose does have coral in it sometimes. But most of the time it is a strong pink. If it were a lot more coral, I would think it was Jubilee Celebration. I supposed I could always buy PAOK and compare the plants too :)

  • last year

    Maybe you could just see it in a local rose garden to compare.


    Here's mine looking more coral.



    And on a pinker day:





  • last year

    Robert, PAoK can turn plenty coral, especially if you live in a place with hot and dry summers like here. Mine, which was a big thug, also produced little coral blossoms just as soon as the all summer heat waves hit, and didn't go back to a better size and color until well into fall. I find that Boscobel is so much better in our climate than PAoK was. And Bosco is no small shrimp rose, either, but a large rose that blooms way more than PAoK ever did here. In your climate, you may not have much of a coral problem, though. Diane


    Boscobel


    Boscobel


  • last year

    Though I'm not familiar with the laws on rose patents, to me it seems that you're OK, Robert, because you aren't trying to sell these plants or anything. And even now,as this thread proves, you are not certain of the identity of this rose.

  • last year

    Yeah, I'm not at all worried about patents. I rooted cuttings from plants where I work (with permission). They are unlabeled/unnamed. Nobody knows exactly what rose it is. It was only after seeing PAOK in person that I wondered if it could be that one. In any case, it was innocent and they're just growing in my own garden. Getting huge, I might add. If this is PAOK, I am surprised just how large and frequent the blooms are--even in a fair amount of shade!