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The Apparently Quite Rare ‘Jacques Cartier Cl.’

If my research is accurate, I may have accidentally received a rare rose, a climbing version of Jacques Cartier. There is only one photo of this rose on HMF and only one poster on HMF, a nursery owner in Belgium. I received my plant from Heirloom as Comte de Chambord, which it is not. I thought I’d identified it as the shrubby JC, but mine would not stay under 12 feet or rebloom. After a few years, I just let it awkwardly fly to the sky even though it is sited for a shrub, not a climber. When it is only lightly pruned and allowed free reign, it DOES have remontancy. It sulks terribly when hard pruned and only throws a few gorgeously silvery pink confections of petaled fluff to remind me how sorry I am for treating it so harshly. It then proceeds to shoot up as fast as its canes will grow! Mine is now 14 feet tall and holding its own with Lady Banks. I had to stuff a short trellis under it to prevent it from crushing Nearly Wild. Does anyone else have this rarity in your garden? I’d LOVE to hear any comments, experiences, references, etc.! I will add my contribution to HMF shortly. Carol







Comments (21)

  • 3 years ago

    Could you speak on its winter hardiness? Not that we're even in remotely the same climate, but if you get winter dieback on it then I for sure will too.

    portlandmysteryrose thanked Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
  • 3 years ago

    Carol, this is absolutely stunning!

    portlandmysteryrose thanked librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
  • 3 years ago

    Very stunning, and I love that it only re-blooms if you leave it mostly alone! - I can hear it saying "So there - that will teach you!".


    Jackie

    portlandmysteryrose thanked jacqueline9CA
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    How wonderfully bizarre! Congratulations! That's gorgeous! I wonder if Paul Barden has seen it?

    portlandmysteryrose thanked roseseek
  • 3 years ago

    @Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) Here in Portland, it is completely winter hardy. I prune it lightly after bloom. In the spring, I cut out the deadwood that develops under the giant mass. Other than that, I just let it go! Carol

  • 3 years ago

    @jacqueline9CA Ha, ha! So true. It took years for me to hear it shouting that it is a climber, not a shrub. I was too caught up in my expectations to listen. Cl. JC reminds me of your many, beautiful roses which you allow to grow as they wish with great rewards! Carol

  • 3 years ago

    @roseseek Thank you, Kim! It is rather fun to have been gifted this rarity. I can only guess that the Heirloom cutting came from a cane of JC that was destined to grow tall. What are the odds? I don’t think Paul has seen it in my garden. When he visited, things were a bit rushed and my garden was a mess. I don’t know if he has seen a Cl. JC elsewhere in commerce. I’ll check in and ask if he’d like to visit my plant sometime. It should probably be propagated. It’s a gorgeous thing in full bloom! Vigorous, healthy, etc. Carol

  • 3 years ago

    @portlandmysteryrose you're welcome, Carol! I'm glad Paul has visited your garden. Isn't he a love?

    portlandmysteryrose thanked roseseek
  • 3 years ago

    @roseseek Paul is absolutely a love! A wonderful, wonderful human being.

  • 3 years ago

    @portlandmysteryrose fully agreed! We'd better stop...he'll be blushing! LOL!

    portlandmysteryrose thanked roseseek
  • 3 years ago

    ...boo hoo, and to think that I used to have this rose but wound up shovel pruning it! Though I allowed it to grow as it wanted, it never bloomed,so out it went. Probably the fault was the usual one-overly poor, inadequatly prepared soil...

    portlandmysteryrose thanked User
  • 3 years ago

    I was sent a Jacques Cartier by mistake from Heirloom Roses. I ordered a Comte de Chambord and received Jacques Cartier instead. It's a happy accident, however, as I grow Marchesa Boccella and wanted to compare the blooms to JC to see if they are the same rose.


    My Jacques Cartier is a two year old plant, only 1 foot tall due to rabbit nibbling and a spring freeze last year. I look forward to seeing how it does in the future.


    Your JC is magnificent, beautiful blooms!

    portlandmysteryrose thanked Krista_5NY
  • 3 years ago

    How interesting and what a find! My shrub-form 'Jacques Cartier' is a super-star and quite remotant, but I only cut it back hard (by half) each winter and then only do moderate deadheading at other times. Otherwise it would be tall-ish (like 7' - 8''), sprawling all over and thus annoying me, but no-way, no-how would it be more than 12'!

    portlandmysteryrose thanked catspa_zone9sunset14
  • 3 years ago

    Carol, what an exciting, wonderful, absolutely gorgeous rose! I didn't know there was a climbing form, and for sure it's much more glamorous, I think, than the bush; which has always seemed rather short to me. You have a treasure!

    portlandmysteryrose thanked Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland
  • 3 years ago

    I too have this rose. I got it from Heirloom over 20 years ago as the bush form of J.C. It climbs into a crabapple and onto a seven foot high trellis fence. I garden in Marin County, Ca.




    portlandmysteryrose thanked jodydoss
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @jodydoss Yes! You are my west coast Climbing Jacques mate! I think we are rare twins. :) It’s so great to meet you and see another JC the size of mine! I guess Heirloom somehow stocked at least a couple of these climbers back in the day. Mine is around 20 years old, too. It’s interesting that Climbing JC was never listed in their catalogs. Your plant looks to be much better sited than mine, next to your pretty arch with a crabapple tree to climb. I need to retrofit some kind of not-too-awkwardly-placed support under its unexpectedly giant self. As soon as I get a skinny minute, I’m planning to post some shots on HMF. There is literally one photo of this rose, and it’s a close-up of an open bloom. Your Climbing JC is SPECTACULAR! If you have a chance to post that full shot of yours on HMF, I bet everyone would be as thrilled as I am to see it. Thank you so much for connecting on this thread! I’ve felt pretty alone on Planet Climbing JC. Carol

  • 3 years ago

    @fig_insanity Z7b E TN John, you are hilarious! I’ll try Kim’s burrito method later this year and see if anything roots. Carol

  • 3 years ago

    Carol, you may also want to contact Burling and see if she's interested in propagating it. You've generated the demand. All she has to do is supply it.

    portlandmysteryrose thanked roseseek
  • 3 years ago

    Thank you for the suggestion, Kim. That’s a great idea! Carol

  • 3 years ago

    So cool! The blooms look exactly like my Jacques Cartier except mine stays short. Both Carol's and Jody's look stunning...yay for a climbing Jacques. :) :)



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