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Superthrive for Transplant Shock?

I have a Gardenia in extreme transplant shock. I probably exposed too much of the root mass at a time that the plant was already in some distress. Would Superthrive have any value for this situation, and if yes what dose and frequency?

As I understand it, Superthrive has very little value as a fertilizer. Its main claim to fame is the vitamin B-1, and various root growth hormones/compounds. The hope in the case of a transplant would be that it might stimulate some root growth and allow the plant to resume its normal metabolism before it reaches a point of no return and dies.

As far as dose, the Superthrive label suggests 1 tsp of Superthrive for each gallon of water, for transplant. But it remains silent on how often that should be applied.

Aside from Superthrive, what can I do to maximize the chances of the Gardenia recovering? I estimate about 90% of the leaves are going to die.

Comments (13)

  • 3 years ago

    Snakeoil. Don’t bother with any product for transplant shock.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked iochroma
  • 3 years ago

    Recommended products for transplant shock: water, shade, time, patience. But best of all, avoid it by transplanting correctly at the right time of year.



    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 3 years ago

    if you are spending money on anything other than plants, pots or media .. ask yourself.. is it really necessary.. and the answer is usually NO ...


    i cant agree more with the snake oil comment...


    its a plant.. not a child.. its doesnt need special medicine.. clothes.. an education.. wedding gifts.. an allowance... braces.. etc ...


    ken

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 3 years ago

    Superthrive or Superjive

    The question regarding the value of Superthrive as a miracle tonic for plants is often bandied about in horticultural circles. Over the years, I had read claims that ranged from, “I put it on my plant, which had never bloomed, and it was in full bloom the next day.” to, “It was dead - I put Superthrive on it and the next day it was alive and beautiful, growing better than it ever had before.” I decided to find out for myself.

    If you look for information on the net, you will probably only find the manufacturer’s claims and anecdotal observations, both so in want of anything that resembles a control. Though my experiments were far from purely scientific, I tried to keep some loose controls in place so that I could make a fair judgment of its value, based my own observations. Here is what I did, what I found, and the conclusions I made about any value the product Superthrive might hold for me.

    On four separate occasions, I took multiple cuttings of plants in four different genera. In each case the group of cuttings were taken from the same individual plant to reduce genetic variance. The plant materials I used were: Ficus benjamina, (a tropical weeping fig) Luna apiculata (Peruvian myrtle), Chaenorrhinum minus (a dwarf snapdragon), and an unknown variety of Coleus. In each instance, I prepared cuttings from the same plant and inserted them in a very fast, sterile soil. The containers containing half of the cuttings were immersed/soaked in a Superthrive solution of approximately 1/2 tsp per gallon of water to the upper soil line. The other half of the cuttings were watered in with water only. In subsequent waterings, I would water the “Superthrive batch” of cuttings with a solution of 10 drops per gallon and the others with only water. The same fertilizer regimen was followed on both groups of cuttings. In all four instances, the cuttings that I used Superthrive on rooted and showed new growth first. For this reason, it follows that they would naturally exhibit better development, though I could see no difference in overall vitality, once rooted. I can also say that a slightly higher percentage of cuttings rooted that were treated with the Superthrive treatment at the outset. I suspect that is directly related to the effects of the auxin in Superthrive hastening initiation of root primordia before potential vascular connections were destroyed by rot causing organisms.

    In particular, something I looked for because of my affinity for a compact form in plants was branch (stem) extension. (The writer is a bonsai practitioner.) Though the cuttings treated with Superthrive rooted sooner, they exhibited the same amount of branch extension. In other words, internode length was approximately equal and no difference in leaf size was noted.

    As a second part to each of my “experiments”, I divided the group of cuttings that had not been treated with Superthrive into two groups. One of the groups remained on the water/fertilizer only program, while the other group was treated to an additional 10 drops of Superthrive in each gallon of fertilizer solution. Again, the fertilizer regimen was the same for both groups. By summer’s end, I could detect no difference in bio-mass or vitality between the two groups of plants.

    Since I replicated the above experiment in four different trials, using four different plant materials, I am quite comfortable in drawing some conclusions as they apply to me and my growing habits or abilities. First, and based on my observations, I have concluded that Superthrive does hold value for me as a rooting aid, or stimulant if you prefer. I regularly soak the soil, usually overnight, of my newly root-pruned and often bare-rooted repots in a solution of 1/2 tsp Superthrive per gallon of water. Second, and also based on my observations, I no longer bother with its use at any time other than at repotting. No evidence was accumulated through the 4 trials to convince me that Superthrive was of any value as a “tonic” for plants with roots that were beyond the initiation or recovery stage.

    Interestingly, the first ingredient listed as being beneficial to plants on the Superthrive label is vitamin B-1 (or thiamine). Growing plants are able to synthesize their own vitamin B-1 as do many of the fungi and bacteria having relationships with plant roots, so it's extremely doubtful that vitamin B-1 could be deficient in soils or that a growing plant could exhibit a vitamin B-1 deficiency.

    Some will note that I used more of the product than suggested on the container. I wanted to see if any unwanted effects surfaced as well as trying to be sure there was ample opportunity for clear delineation between the groups. I suspect that if a more dilute solution was used, the difference between groups would have been even less clear.

    It might be worth noting that since the product contains the growth regulator (hormone) auxin, its overuse can cause defoliation, at least in dicots. The broad-leaf weed killer Weed-B-Gone and the infamous “Agent Orange“, a defoliant that saw widespread use in Viet Nam, are little more than synthetic auxin.

    Al

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
  • 3 years ago

    @tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a) Used for repotting, how long do you continue to use the Superthrive before ceasing its use?

  • 3 years ago

    @gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9) Al's suggested use was the same as what I had asked about in my original question: the use of Superthrive only for repotting/transplant shock.

  • 3 years ago

    For years I used it for full repots, i.e. in repots where all or almost all of the soil was removed and root pruning was done; this, because I noticed plants treated with it seemed to return to showing evidence of faster recovery. Since, I've stopped using it altogether and now use a solution of Dyna-Gro KLN Concentrate.

    The way I used/use the products: After the repot was complete with the soil and plant in place and watered in, I would set the plant in a tub with a KLN solution for several minutes to soak. I planned the repots based on the depth of the pots being used and starting with the shallowest first. I would set the pot in the solution and fill the tub with water until the grow medium glistened. Basically, the water depth would be about 1/4-1/2 inch below the top of the soil. If you add too much water too fast, some of the pine or fir bark will float away. So the plant gets 1 soak only in the solution at repot time.

    I also soak cuttings in KLN. I make sure to take the cuttings at least 1 node longer than they need to be because I like to be sure the basal cut is redone with the sharpest of tools - usually a scalpel. The ragged edges left by tools that crush tissue (scissors, bypass pruners, and especially anvil pruners) is usually where rot (fungal diseases) get their start. As soon as the basal cut is made, the cutting goes into the solution where it's allowed to soak for 10 minutes to an hour before it's stuck.


    Linda Chalker-Scott wrote a piece on Superthrive that pretty much parallels what I said, but I wrote mine quite a while before she wrote hers.

    Al

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
  • 3 years ago

    @tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a) K-L-N sounds like a more honest product that is not trying to be a fertilizer and growth stimulant on top of a rooting hormone.

    If you had a plant in extreme transplant shock, how would you apply the KLN, and how often? You were applying the Superthrive at 1/2 dose daily, watering it in.

  • 3 years ago

    You were applying the Superthrive at 1/2 dose daily, watering it in. That was for the experiment only. When I used it as an after repot root stimulant, I used it one time only as the final stage of the repot, and because I would normally be repotting trees in batches, I soaked the pot/ soil/ plant in a tub for at least 10 minutes. I use the KLN the same way; however, if I was repotting or treating only one plant in a pot, mixing it in a small watering can and watering it in from above would be equally effective.

    If the plant was in the ground, I might consider applying more than once and would stop applications when the plant started pushing new growth or it became apparent the plant wasn't going to respond.

    Al

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
  • 3 years ago

    @tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a) So keeping in mind you have yet to run the experiment, if you were treating a container plant in deep shock, what might you try with the KLN? Maybe apply a 1/2 dose weekly?

  • 3 years ago

    Are we talking about a potted plant or one planted out? Was it subjected to bare-rooting or nearly so? Was it root pruned?

    Al

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
  • 3 years ago

    @tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a) It was a Gardenia in a two-gallon pot. It had maybe 60% of the soil mass in the pot shaken off before planting into a new larger container. The roots were straightened or untangled in a few places, but it was not root pruned.