I have the Bosch but without the bridge element. 5 years in and i still love it. Does all Ineed it to do

IIRC, the new Bosch cooktops got rid of the shut off timers. Wolf redesigned their controls for 2023. As I understand them, they're now similar to Bosch controls -- one controller for all hobs. To turn on/off or adjust temperature, you have to tap the appropriate hob then adjust the lone controller. Each hob now has a timer, & the hob doesn't turn off when time's up, but can be set to switch to power level 1 to keep warm. But I'm just relying on memory here: download the user manuals to double check which features have been added, removed, or changed.

I like my 2 year old Wolf. The burners are lenient about pan size. Lifting a pan to swirl the contents won't turn off the burner or set off frantic beeps. Splashes don't turn off the controls.

Thanks for the comments! Good news about the Wolf, maybe I should take a closer look. @cpartist does your Bosch have turn off timers? Just wondering when they might have done away with those--I love it for things like rice, pressure cooking, and so on. LOL, maybe not everyone likes them as much as I do, though. :-)

The Bosch Benchmark NITP668SUC ($2600) and Bosch Benchmark NITP660SUC ($3250) are nearly identical. Interestingly it's only the cheaper model that has a shut-off timer for each induction element. Both are deficient in that one must first select an element -- if more than one element is in use -- before adjusting its power level.

Note that the cutout sizes of the Bosch and old Miele are not the same. Miele cutout: 36-1/6", Bosch: 34-7/8".

@cpartist does your Bosch have turn off timers? Just wondering when they might have done away with those--I love it for things like rice, pressure cooking, and so on. LOL, maybe not everyone likes them as much as I do, though. :-)

Yes they do and I can't believe they did away with them. I LOVE them too!!! Use them all the time for everything from rice, to oatmeal to cooking pasta and hard boiled eggs.

Both are deficient in that one must first select an element -- if more than one element is in use -- before adjusting its power level.

Why is that deficient? I have no issues using it like that. Certainly better than the ones that have a "dial" where you have to raise and lower the temperature.

Miele is selecting a site to begin manufacturing cooking appliances in the US. That should lead to availability here for the full surface 7000 Series models Miele has been producing for the past 3 years. See their German or UK sites.

@cpartist: "Certainly better than the ones that have a "dial" where you have to raise and lower the temperature."

Steps to adjust temperatures of three pots:

Bosch cooktop

1. Select pot 1
2. Change temp of pot 1
3. Select pot 2
4. Change temp of pot 2
5. Select pot 3
6. Change temp of pot 3

Total steps: Six

Non-Bosch cooktop

1. Change temp of pot 1
2. Change temp of pot 2
3. Change temp of pot 3

Total steps: Three

On the plus side though, the controls are presumably taking up a lot less cooktop real estate. That's the one flaw of my Wolf cooktop. Electronic controls at the front pushing my large pan farther back than I'd like, and making us watch carefully so hot pans don't land on the control pad. Not sure it's worth the extra steps, just pointing out that there are tradeoffs.

I just purchased the Bosch Benchmark. It's supposed to arrive this week, but I won't be installing it until next month. I suggest that you go to Yale Appliance on line and read their induction reviews for 2023. They just updated them. Some of these units are more reliable than others. They give a lot of information.

As to the number of steps you need to take, we used to have to load wood into a stove and start a fire. My great great grandmother got up a four every morning to start the fire in the stove so that the stove would be hot enough for biscuits at six. I think I can do an extra flick of the finger if needed. It becomes second nature very quickly.

@homechef59: "we used to have to load wood into a stove and start a fire."

Wait, you had a stove? We only had a pit in the yard. And we had to fell the trees. And haul them a mile from the forest. In bare feet. In the snow. And then chop the wood.

wdccruise, you had to haul those logs uphill both ways in the snow, right?

You guys crack me up. :-) I've been reading online reviews and watching the Yale videos, which is interesting. I had hoped that people who had actually been able to own or at least use any of these models would chime in. I'll have to drive 90 miles or so to a showroom to see working units, which I'll be doing, but nothing beats actual real world experience from people who cook. I'm not seeing many people who own the Thermadors or the current Miele units posting about them online. I'm hoping that's because they're happy and the units are totally trouble free and they're busy cooking instead of posting online reviews.... ;-p

@homechef59: "wdccruise, you had to haul those logs uphill both ways in the snow, right?"

Both ways? All four ways: our shack was on a corner lot! Fortunately we didn't have to put the outhouse too far from the house as we could hide it behind the hay bales.

“On the plus side though, the controls are presumably taking up a lot less cooktop real estate. That's the one flaw of my Wolf cooktop. Electronic controls at the front pushing my large pan farther back than I'd like”

@mcarroll16 - I did not understand what you meant. Were you referring to the Bosch controls when you said they would take up less cooktop real estate? Or one of the other brands the OP mentioned? Can you please describe how the controls on the Wolf take up more cooktop real estate? I took this photo off the internet of the Bosch Benchmark cooktop controls.

Thermador Freedom 30” here. Have had it for a bit over a year in our new build. Very happy with it.

@M Miller--sorry, that was a confusing statement. I was comparing the single-control interface to controls for each burner. I have a 2016 Wolf cooktop with individual controls for each burner. The control pad uses several square inches of the front left of the cooktop.

Interesting, mcarroll. It was the layout of the control panel & burners that made me choose Wolf (30 in.). I wanted the largest hob off to the side & didn't want the controls to take up too much space. So far I've been pleased. Yesterday I had my 12 qt stockpot on the large burner as a boiling water bath canner, a 5 qt Dutch oven on the front left burner (blueberry lime jam), and a flared sauce pan on the back left burner for simmering canning lids & screw tops. There was room for everything.

I'd prefer if the 11 inch hob on the right were a tad more forward, like GE Profile or Cafe, but don't find it awkward. It looks to me that the new Wolf cooktops have the largest hob moved towards the back end by about an inch to make room for the new display panel.

I much prefer the little 6 inch burner towards the front. That's the one I use to make sauces, custards, puddings, spoonbread, or to scald milk -- things that need stirring & a watchful eye for changes in consistency.

Mostly agree, awm03. I bought the Wolf specifically for that large burner on the right. I just wish it sat more forward. Something I've only thought about recently though, after a back and shoulder injury. So maybe not a factor for most people. And I have a not-at-all-careful child who is cooking now, thus my worry that the control pad will eventually melt down under a hot pan. But really, the Wolf is amazing. I can have 3 large pots going at once, or a griddle and a large pot, and a little pot of something warming too.

My perfect cooktop would be the 36" Wolf, but a rangetop with the controls on the front. Oh, and true bridging. More options come on the market every year. Maybe my dream cooktop will exist by the time this one dies.

"My perfect cooktop would be the 36" Wolf, but a rangetop with the controls on the front. "

Yes! What's taking the manufacturers so long to make these?

Fulgor Milano F6IRT365S1 36 Inch Induction Rangetop

Love that it's a rangetop, but the layout is unfortunate. I don't understand why that central big burner layout is so popular. It really limits the sizes and numbers of pots you can have going at the same time.

@mcarroll16: "I don't understand why that central big burner layout is so popular."

Maybe it's so you can use an enormous pot that won't extend over the edge of the cooktop.

I' think that the Frigidaire FPIC3677RF is well-designed as its control knobs are at the front -- like a rangetop -- and its largest element at the right front.

That Frigidaire layout is great! Maybe that will be my next model. On a 36" cooktop you don't need a central burner to avoid pots overhanging the edge. I use my 15" saute pan on the right Wolf burner and the right edge is 2" from the cooktop edge.

I have a Miele KM 6375 purchased in 2019. My husband & I cook and we like this cooktop vey much. It heats up quickly and boils pasta water in no time. It is easy to clean and the layout of the cooktop works fine. I recommend this product.

We have the same one as you and love it! i’d probably stick with miele just do to cut out size. i don’t need bridge elements but would not buy anything without hob timers. i use them all the time!!!

LOL @lharpie you would think that the same size cooktop in the same brand might be the same cutout, but I'm not seeing that this is true...the new one takes a slightly larger cutout than the old one. Ah well. So far, Wolf and Thermador have done away with the turn off timers, which I find very disappointing, since I use those a lot. Also disappointing is that neither of the two repair companies that I've called to see if this can be/would be worth fixing have called me back in over a week. From what I see on the internet, an FE35 error on an older cooktop signals Bad Things with the board, which is expensive. But I'd like to at least do my due diligence by asking an expert, and finding out what it would cost to fix if this is indeed the case. :-(

Nooooooooo dont tell me that! that is the worst new ever!! how am i supposed to change cutout size in my dekton?? bigger is better than smaller i suppose… ugh. mine is only 7 so hopefully it lasts a long time. i hope you are able to fix it!

eta don’t the new ones take a smaller cut out? this is really bad.

Well, mine lasted 13 years...I hope yours lasts as long or longer! According to the manuals, the old one takes a 19 11/16 x 36 1/16 cutout, while the new takes 20 1/4x36 5/8. Not a huge difference, but it will take adjustment.

"the new takes..."

The new Miele?

• KM 5773
• KM 6370
• KM 6375

It might be a long shot, but there are companies that repair electronic boards. I was getting ready to do this for an older double oven control board when I found a replacement. So, I didn't have to use them. I know that I read about them on GW years ago. You can do a search for them here on on the general internet. They probably wouldn't be local and you would have to remove and ship the board for repair, but those companies do exist.

Thanks, @homechef59, I may consider that. The problem is, I only *think* it's the control board from the error(s) I see flashing and internet info---I can't actually get a repair person to respond to schedule a visit or to provide a professional opinion, which I'm happy to pay for. It's rather strange. Perhaps I'll write a separate post to see if anyone's had the same problem and see if they were able to get it repaired. I realize it's not likely to be worth the expense for an older appliance like this one, but I'd like to be sure. The error that flashes intermittently is FE35, but with various combinations of buttons pressed (husband was playing) we see sensor faults as well, correlating to the calibration sensors according to the manual. Those have small flashing lights.

@wdccruise thanks for posting the info for the Miele cooktops in question, my apologies for omitting the brand name.

Thanks to all who have responded thus far. I think I'm zeroing in on a replacement, should that be necessary.

"thanks for posting the info for the Miele cooktops in question, my apologies for omitting the brand name"

I posted those specification links so you could check the cutout sizes.

Both the new ones list significantly smaller cut outs? 34-35” vs 36.25 for ours.

@lharpie: "Both the new ones list significantly smaller cut outs? 34-35” vs 36.25 for ours."

Correct, so the new cooktop would requiring replacement* of the countertop, not the simpler enlargement of the cutout.

*Or other fix since you can't make the cutout smaller

My apologies, I apparently mixed up the cutout sizes/model numbers...thanks for catching that.

I feel like I have considered every single induction option out there. I have been able to test drive several in showrooms. My favorite has been the Thermador 36" Masterpiece CIT365YB

I really honed in on the sizes of the hobs. I need at least 2 hobs that are 9" or larger so I could use 2 12" skillets at the same time. I also wanted one 9" hob toward the front. An 11" hob is also kind of necessary as I like to use a 6qt straight sided braising pan often. When I tested the Thermador Masterpiece I loaded it up with pans on every burner to make sure I could actually use all the hobs if I need to.

The manner in which an induction cooktop shares it's power is also important to look at. I didn't want my largest burners to be in the same cooking zone so they won't be sharing power. This information is usually in the Owner manual.

Thermador CIT365TB which is the previous model does have the shut off timer for each burner. They are still available on AJ Madison website.

Bridging isn't something I currently do at all so it wasn't a deal breaker for me.

The Fulgor Milano 36" Sofia range or rangetop also check all of the boxes.

I also really liked the Miele cooktop, so I'm happy to know you enjoyed yours.

Such hard choices!

I have the Wolf 36" induction cooktop at my home and am currently staying/using my brother's jenn-air 30", which has the "choose the hob, then adjust the heat" and I really prefer the Wolf's control better. That said, my Wolf does not have the individual timer/shut-off and I really think I'd like that. So, if there is a cooktop that has individual temperature adjustment on the hobs w/individual timer/shut-off - that is what I wil use next time! FWIW - no reliability issues w/Wolf (crossed fingers/thus far).

I'm a little late but I wouldn't recommend the Miele KM6370, I installed one in our kitchen a scant 6 years ago and it just failed. Miele quoted me a price of $3600 to repair it, which is just a few hundred dollars shy of a brand-new unit. I'm currently shopping for a replacement and am leaning towards Bosch (800 series or Benchmark) based largely on Yale Appliance's first-year reliability data. I'm also considering the Frigidaire FCCI3627AB, because it fits the existing cutout and is the cheapest thing I can find and who cares because nothing lasts anymore anyway, and also the Jenn-Air JIC4536KB because they have a 2-year whole-unit warranty and also a 5-year warranty on some of the electronic parts.

Ugh, @Dan C that is not the kind of review I'd hoped to hear! I finally got a repair company to return my call, mine will cost $3200 to fix. So I'm officially shopping. :-( I'm unhappy that one of the features I really liked, the turn off timers, seem to be no longer included with almost everything but the discontinued Thermador Model and the Miele. I'd give them up for reliability, though.

Thank you for posting about your experience.