BTW, all the suspects that are possible suckers grow a pink or soft red rose

Do the flowers of the possible suckers differ from those of the other canes? It's rather difficult to determine whether that is a sucker from your photos. How different are the flowers foliage between the canes?

If it does not have a visible graft union, there are several possibilities I can think of:

1) It is an on-purpose known rose which was planted as an own root rose, instead of a grafted rose. This is getting more and more common. I have been purchasing only own root roses from mail order nurseries for decades.

2) It is a rose which is own root because it came up as a root sucker from a known own root rose nearby - not all suckers are from root stock.

3) If you live in a cold winter climate, there might be a graft union you can't see because it was planted deep on purpose to protect it during the winter.

4) It might be a now own root rose because it did start out as a sucker from rootstock.

Here is what folks on here would need to help figure it out, and also help you ID whatever rose it is:

1) Where, approximately, are you gardening? Do you know the climate zone?

2) Please post photos on here of blooms, or the entire bushes when blooming, that you have of these roses, and also pics of leaves, thorns, and any left over hips if possible.

3) Have you lived in your current home long enough to know if these roses only bloom once in the Spring, or do they re-bloom?

No matter what, I would let these roses grow and bloom for a while before you do anything. That dirt looks like they would appreciate some compost put around the base of the rose (not touching the base), and getting watered well and then fed.

It is so fun (IMO) to have mystery roses in the garden! Looking forward to some photos!

Jackie

Thanks for the feedback.

The rose does rebloom. I'm in SoCal so that's probably Zn 9-10.

We've had a very cool, overcast. dampish spring, and all the roses suffered with rust.

Jacqueline offered that is was a sucker that created it's own new root ball (sorta)

I think that's the case. I've lived here a season now and if this small plant struggles (kinda has) it may be doomed. Most of the rest of the yard is natives. My reluctance to just yank growing plants kept me from being over zealous about removing some of the lesser roses that were here when we moved in. AND, ya know, one always kinda hopes that given some love it turns out one has a terrific rare plant.

Funny that the same thing occurred to me.....the soil could use some love. Walking back out to compost now.

leafnose - are you in a humid Summer hot climate, or a dry one? Makes a lot of difference. I am in California in a hot dry Summer, cool wet winter climate, also zone 9/10. So, I would really like to see photos of the blooms, etc. of your rose - I might recognize it, especially since it re-blooms, it is probably an "on purpose" rose and not a root stock sucker. (I have the most luck posting photos by using the "Houzz Photo" button below. Follow the instructions - it is easy.

Jackie

Sorry - I just noticed that you already said you were in So Cal - so probably very similar climate to mine.

Jackie

Looks own root to me. Certainly time will tell. Give the roses good care and any suckering of root stock will certainly show itself in no time. The different looking foliage, long lanky canes and no repeat blooming will tell you that you have a bush that has sprouted a sucker(s) from a root stock. Therefore the bush was planted grafted.

Moses