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Which Tea rose do I have please?..

3 years ago

A few details. I imported this Tea rose from Roses Loubert, France last winter. It's supposed to be 'Mme. Falcot' but I really don't think it's anything like the original rose of that name, as that's supposed to be yellow.. however it could be the 'Mme. Falcot' that's doing the rounds in Europe/U.S.?

Obviously my rose is very young, first season.


Alternatives I have come up with, in case it was sent out with incorrect i.d. are ..

'Marie van Houtte' and 'Maman Cochet', both of which Loubert offer.

I cannot see anything else on their inventory that comes close.


So if you are familiar with any of these roses, could you please..

1. Advise if you think it's the 'Mme. Falcot' that you know.

2. It's 'Marie van Houtte'

3. It's 'Maman Cochet'

4. None of the above and something else entirely.


I am not familiar enough with any of those roses. On checking old archives here and HMF I am still not sure, but my guess would be 'Maman Cochet'..


Photos to follow, thanks for taking a look..


Comments (17)

  • 3 years ago

    Reddish foliage..




    ..angular growth habit..



    ..plenty of red hooked thorns..



    I find the opening buds exquisitely beautiful..


    ..there is a light Tea scent to the bloom, sometimes more noticeable than others.. the centre is peachy/pink..



  • 3 years ago

    I should add that, I realise I ought to ask Roses Loubert, but I really don't want to do that right now, as they were good enough to send me some roses at very reasonable shipping costs, and I don't want them to think I'm complaining about one, or hinting at a refund.. I don't want that at all, and I'm delighted with this rose, I think it's stunning.. I'd just like some idea of what it may be, if not 'Mme. Falcot'..

  • 3 years ago

    I have Maman Cochet and Marie van Houtte and I don't think your rose is either of those. I think you might have what is being sold as Mme Falcot now.

    Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 3 years ago

    I wouldn't want to complain too much, either, for receiving this beauty, Marlorena. Judging by the coloring I would want to say Mlle. Franziska Kruger, although I'm not certain the blooms on yours have enough petals to be that temperamental beauty. It often balls or has vegetative centers, but it nevertheless is one of my favorite tea roses, which lasted the longest in my garden because it was small enough that it could be contained in a chicken wire surround. I wonder if Sheila might have an idea since she has so many wonderful teas in her garden.

    Marlorena thanked Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Ingrid, my MFK and Souv de Pierre Notting do look more like Marlorena's rose than do my Maman Cochet or MvH.

    Interestingly, I was sent MFK (my second) instead of Souv de Pierre Notting which I had ordered. I finally got Souv de Pierre Notting and love them both.


    Souv de Pierre Notting. Pierre can look peachier and MFK can look yellow or peach too.

    Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 3 years ago

    Sheila, your SdPN certainly looks like a very likely contender. As I recall my Mlle. Franziska was always peach rather than yellow, but as we know location is everything.

    Here's Franziska:




    Marlorena thanked Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago


    Souv de Pierre


    Maman Cochet


    Marie van Houtte

    Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 3 years ago

    Oh my, definitely a keeper! It seems to be one of those roses that looks good at every stage, and that's a big plus.

    I'm so glad you're having a cool, rainy summer, Marlorena. Much better than what southern Europe is experiencing, and I'm sure your roses are appreciating it, and you probably are too. I'd be in heaven if we ever had one of those, but that never happens.

    Marlorena thanked Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland
  • 3 years ago

    Agree completely with you, Ingrid! The idea of a cool,rainy summer sounds like Heaven to me.

    Marlorena, that rose-whatever it is-is truly fantastically beautiful; I'm tempted to order a "Mme. Falcot" from Loubert in the hope of getting one like yours, whatever it is. However, with Teas I can't help but think that it's very difficult to determine identity just by the blooms ,since the flowers seem to vary so much according to climate, etc.

    Marlorena thanked User
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Like Bart says, the Teas do vary a lot. Here is Souv de PN today looking peachier.

    Another I have looking somewhat like your rose, Marlorena, is my cl White Maman Cochet.


    Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 3 years ago

    Marlorena, you could maybe try messaging on HMF one of the ladies who wrote the Tea rose book, billy teabag.

  • 3 years ago

    Trish.. I hadn't thought of that - good idea.. thank you ..


    ..thanks for later pics Sheila.. I'm still not sure as to what I have exactly.. I shall carry on calling it 'Mme. Falcot' for now.. the blooms last forever..

  • 2 years ago

    Sheila, where did you get the correct Souvenir de Pierre Notting?

  • 2 years ago

    I think it was from Rose Petals nursery. They have some great roses.

  • 2 years ago

    thank you Sheila! RPN no longer carries it but I found it at A Reverence of Roses so now i'm on the waitlist for it. Fingers crossed I get it soon!

  • 2 years ago

    It may have been Roses Unlimited, Humble. Good luck.