Hybrid tea, mature bush, prune to first robust 5 leaflet and the stem is minimally pencil thick. If stem is massive, then prune down the stem even farther beyond the pencil thickness point. The same for grandifloras.

Floribundas do not follow the pencil thickness rule strictly, but 5 leaflet rule still applies.

I treat all my roses regardless of classification this way, that's shrub, Austins, polyanthas...

Climbers are a different breed whether they are climbing hybrid teas, or the majority which are climbing floribundas.

This is the way I was essentially taught by old timers when I was young.

Moses

A mix I suppose.

In all rose shrubs, some stems on the 2nd flush and nice long thick strong.

Others, just measky 5" length stems from the 1st flush, weak and thin

If the 2nd flush was thick, I just deadheaded accordingly.

Where other 2nd slush stems were just weak off the 1st flush wood, for this *3rd* flush, I cut it back to 1st flush thicker wood.

I'm still Always second guess the pruning cuts but I'm getting there as I observe.

I cut more stems this year in spring pruning. It's more healthy this year to AIR.

It doesn't have as many blooms as when I was super scared about cutting off anything and leaving as much on within means thinking leaves=food=growth.

However, even when leaving less stems, it still as always, looks awefully great on the 1st flush.

Too bad each subsequent flush never looks as Maaarvvalous as the 1st flush