Single roses and regal embroidery

2 years ago

There's an exhibition in England now with lots of opulent garments. Not a print to be seen, but lots of embroidery.

There's not a single rose that's semi double or double. (Sort of the opposite of the roses painted , maybe because it's easier to paint a centifolia.)

And the single roses on the royal vestments are all single as far as I could tell. Not only are they easier to embroider, but rose leaves are distinctive, as well.

Anyway, here's a link that includes Queen Mary's coronation gown as well as a piece of the only gown owned by Queen Elizabeth I. For the latter, there might be roses. For the former there are many.

Celebrating 400 years of gold and silver wire

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Erika

2 years ago

My husband is a tattoo nerd - all the history about the superstitions and styles. He came to me all excited because he wanted a flower tattoo but it couldnt be a rose (because roses are apparently ’overdone’) but he’d found this five petaled simple flower that was all over historical designs.

I had to tell him that it was also a rose.

Now every time I see a design with that lovely, classic rose I think of the look on his face.

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rosecanadian
2 years ago
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Ann - thank you for the link! My daughter, Holly, is really interested in history and she's going to love seeing the link I sent her. Beautiful, dress!! I love the sleeves and neckline.
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2 years ago
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The Wyre Workers shield features a rose stem with roses and a bud

found this, with an excellent stem and a very stylized rose
jacqueline9CA
2 years ago
stillanntn - Thank you for the info! I just saw the Tudor exhibit in San Fransisco, and the gowns and artifacts were magnificent.

One thought about why most of the embroidered roses on the English historical garments were singles or semi-doubles (as well as the ease of sewing them): tradition. Even with the existence of densely petalled roses in the world, the White Rose of York and the Red Rose of Lancaster during the English "War of the Roses" were usually shown in paintings and artifacts as either single, or what we would call semi-double, with what looks like a smaller row of 5 petals within a larger row of 5 petals. The Tudor rose, promulgated after Henry the Vll (the last Lancaster claimant to the throne) came to power, is a combination - a smaller central white 5 petalled rose in the middle of a large red 5 petalled rose. The next 4 English sovereigns, of course (Henry Vll's son and all three of Henry Vll's grandchildren) used the Tudor rose everywhere as signs of their reigns.

Jackie
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rosecanadian
2 years ago
Erika - that made me chuckle. :) :) lol

Jackie - good thinking. I had to google "promulgated." lol
erasmus_gw
2 years ago
I'd like to see an old clothing museum. There are some in the US. Too bad that fabric deteriorates so badly over time. I imagine that most women's clothes in museums would be in incredibly tiny sizes. My husband and I enjoy historical tv shows and many have gorgeous costumes.

I think it's nice that these days women wear many different styles whereas in the not too distant past there was one length of skirt that was seen as attractive. I do think that dressing up a bit for things like airplane travel was a nice thing in the past...I did it...had my hair done too for a flight...it was all very special. But I must admit I like being comfortable on a flight more than I like looking good.
jacqueline9CA
2 years ago
Another thought about the use of the "Tudor rose" even by the modern UK Royal Family - they are descended from the Tudors. When England decided they could not have a Sovereign who was Catholic (this was not just prejudice - it was politics - they had had 2 Catholic monarchs after Henry Vlll broke with Rome - "Bloody Mary Tudor", and King James ll - both of whom persecuted non Catholics, in James' case, to the point of rebellion and a total change of reign, which Mary only avoided by dying relatively young) they went to George l, who was the "senior Protestant male in the line of succession" when the Stuart Queen Anne (Protestant) died. George l was descended from Margaret Tudor, Henry Vlll's sister. So, the current Royal Family is descended from the Tudors. (Sorry for the weird historical digressions, but I love this stuff, and that the robes of Kings & Queens have symbols on them relating them to their historic forebearers.

Jackie