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Tell me about your established Caryopteris

I am just musing about next year.


I recall seeing a couple of these plants in nurseries this past season and they were eye catching. I have never purchased one.


I know some can be large and or not so hardy. But for example this PW offering is at least advertised as being less than 3 feet and a zone 5. (It seems like they like conditions similar to that of a buddleia ie full sun and extra sharp draining soil.)


https://www.provenwinners.com/plants/caryopteris/beyond-midnight-bluebeard-caryopteris-x-clandonensis


Tell me about yours.

Comments (35)

  • 2 years ago

    A great pollinator plant, easy keeper that enjoys neglect. Looks fabulous for three weeks but is kinda just there for the rest of the season.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked cecily 7A
  • 2 years ago

    Excellent 'cecily'. Thanks for the quick reply.

    (If I can find a variety that is proven to be on the smaller side I will try it in a container as it will allow me to put it in full sun.)

  • 2 years ago

    Ya know you're gonna cut it down to six inches each spring, right? Longwood Blue is about 3x3.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked cecily 7A
  • 2 years ago

    Like a BB.


    (But I was thinking that it could still grow quite large in one season...as do many BBs)

  • 2 years ago

    Love Caryopteris - wouldn't be without it! There's nothing like the silver-tinged green foliage covered in blue blooms buzzing with pollinator activity come late summer/early fall. "Dark Knight" is my cultivar of choice -- an oldie but goodie, I like the richness of the blooms and the foliage color.


    A word of warning: These are late to show growth, as in May late, and they can be finicky. I've found that planting any later than mid-summer and they won't survive winter, and I've also had the experience where the plant is showing green growth in the spring and then decides to give up the ghost for no apparent reason.


    It needs to be trimmed down in the spring, similar to butterfly bush. I've taken to waiting until leaf growth is well underway to trim back. Depending on how harsh the winter was, it may need cutting back almost to the ground or might be able to leave a foot or two, just depends. Regardless of how harshly it was cut back, "Dark Knight" only gets 3-4" feet tall where I am.


    It's kind of a PITA and I do have losses sometimes, but still I wouldn't be without it and promptly buy replacements if needed. I love this shrub that much :0)


    Side note: Interestingly, Caryopteris never behaved tempermentally at my old house in zone 6 -- the one I planted grew in the same spot for many years and was virtually care-free save for the spring cut-back. Not sure if that's zone-related or a difference in growing conditions.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    O, I love caryopteris. They do well in my dry garden. I do grow c,clandonensis (Sterling Silver' and 'Heavenly Blue) and am also trialling c,divaricata 'Blue Butterflies, a plant which seems to fly under different aliases (such as tripora divaricata). Not like the usual bluebeards at all, bit am growing side by side with another 'Blue Butterflies' - salvia sagittata. I might suggest considering one of the incanas for pot culture Rouge, especially if you enjoy the combination of golden green leaves and blue flowers.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked rosaprimula UK (Cambridge) Z8/9
  • 2 years ago

    if you enjoy the combination of golden green leaves and blue flowers.


    I think it was that combination that I saw in a nursery in late summer or early fall. It was stunning.

  • 2 years ago

    I forgot about C. divaricata! I have "Snow Fairy". I don't grow it for the flowers, they are inconspicuous. It's the green and white variagated foliage that is it's outstanding feature. Treat this one as a perennial -- it dies completely back to the ground every year.



    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
  • last year

    Hey all, isnt it about time you post pictures of your now in bloom Caryopteris bushes?

  • last year

    unfortunately, from afar they look like a bright green bush. But up close, oh what a lovely combination of limey green with pale purple flowers!. Mine is rather squashed by a greedy mum, but I see it well from indoors, lol I don't know if i can load a pic, but I'll try...

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked rginnie
  • last year

    As someone who doesn't have a caryopteris It is my understanding that it isn't the most showy of plants but its flowers are welcome to humans and pollinators in the last month of summer. @rginnie I'd love to see a picture or two. Do you recall which variety it is?


  • last year

    Link doesn't "work" for me @rginnie :(

  • last year





    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
  • last year

    UPDATE (August 2025):


    So mid September 2024 I bought and planted "Beekeeper" Caryopteris. I potted it up 'permanently' and had it outside until probably November sometime when I moved it into the garage. It brought it back out sometime in April and yup it did survive the winter.


    Here it was late June, filled in:


    And today 2 months later...lots of new growth:




  • last year
    last modified: last year

    I have had 3 ”Snow Fairy” for at least 10 years. After i learned they must be planted well before fall, they lived through the winter. Now two are in decline, one im sure due to poor drainage. I hardly notice the flowers but they are covered with insects.

    My opinion that the foliage smells foul hasnt changed . Im always surprised by the putrid smell when i brush by.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked Marie Tulin Boston burbs z 6a
  • last year

    That "Beekeeper" looks nice, Rouge -- very healthy-looking! I would expect you'll get flowers soon, it's that time of the year.

    Yea, "Snow Fairy" foliage is odiferous, but it doesn't bother me. Mine are planted where I don't casually brush by them. Mine have declined, too, but not to the point I'd rip them out -- they're just not as bushy and take longer to emerge in the spring. In my case, I think it's because they've been moved to part shade, and really they're a full sun plant.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
  • last year

    A couple of Caryopteris varieties are growing decently but not thriving overmuch here. The yellow/chartreuse-leafed types are of dubious winter hardiness, even here in Kentucky zone 7a.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked rusty_blackhaw
  • last year

    I would expect you'll get flowers soon, it's that time of the year.


    Thanks @porkchop_z5b_MI.


    Looking carefully at the flowers to come, there aint no way it will be in flower till (well?) into September.


  • last year

    I have three, the oldest is probably about 10yrs. old also. I planted a second one some years later, then it began seeding down and i ended up with another one across from it. The older one blooms before the other two. Sorry don't remember which variety the first one is, but the other two are "Dark Knight" (I kept the tag) Perhaps different varieties bloom at different times (early vs late?). Eventually all three are blooming at the same time if I remember correctly.


    I really do like them, but as mentioned they seed down alot after maturing. I pull the seedlings as much as I can. Yes, I cut mine back in the Spring.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked schoolhouse_gwagain
  • 11 months ago

    It is now mid September and it is in full bloom in a container. A very pretty plant it is

    (Beekeeper Bluebeard)(It was so small after overwintering in the garage that I refrained from cutting it back).



  • 11 months ago

    Yesterday I saw a pink caryopteris at a garden center. I was so surprised to see a caryopteris of a different color that I didn't think to take a photo.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked cecily 7A
  • 11 months ago

    How about going back to snap a pic? 😏

  • 11 months ago

    Rouge - your Beekeeper looks great.

    Proven Winners has a pink sister plant of Caryopteris ‘Beyond Midnight’ (your original post) named ‘Beyond Pink'd’ - Hardiness Zones: 7b, 8a, 8b, 9a, 9b – this could be the plant that Cecily observed.

    https://www.provenwinners.com/plants/caryopteris/beyond-pinkd-bluebeard-caryopteris-incana

    Several years ago - 2022 - I purchased ‘Beyond Pink'd’ and it did not survive my then z6b winter (later changed to z7a).

    After I bought it I noticed it was z7b and I was upset that my local nursery was selling a z7b plant in z6b. I think, but can’t be sure that I researched ‘Beyond Midnight’ (Hardiness Zones 5a, 5b, 6a, 6b, 7a, 7b, 8a, 8b, 9a, 9b) and ASSumed ‘Beyond Pink'd’ was OK for my zone. PW says: Needs free draining soil. Any sogginess could result in root rot, especially in winter.

    I have other Caryopteris that I like – I think ‘Longwood Blue’ that went in the ground around 2012 that are still kicking.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked raymondz7a
  • 11 months ago

    Good info @raymondz7a. Although my Beekeeper has been successful the past 2 seasons in this container it is probably getting root bound and has needed lots of supplemental water this summer and so I am hoping to find a place in the garden to plant it in the ground.

  • 3 months ago

    UPDATE May 2026:


    Pulled it out of the garage sometime in April and it looks good even now:



  • 3 months ago

    ^^ Oh wow, that's a lot leaf-out for this time of year; most of mine are very bare except for their ankles.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
  • 3 months ago

    And none of mine are to be seen. i see two spots of semidesicated foliage remains which i think two of the three . i remember it was the 3rd week of May - at earliest- before there were faint signs of life from the plants

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked Marie Tulin Boston burbs z 6a
  • 3 months ago

    "i remember it was the 3rd week of May - at earliest- before there were faint signs of life from the plants"


    Yes the foliage can be very late to emerge, and sometimes it doesn't emerge at all just gives up the ghost for no apparent reason. {shrug}

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
  • 3 months ago
    last modified: 3 months ago

    It’s just starting to leaf out which is strange seeing how we are 1.5 zones apart.

    Remember, my Caryopteris is permanently in this container (now its 3rd season in our garden). And I store it away in our unheated garage each early November and bring it out early April.

    It was interesting this time as I could see before taking it outside that it had already begun leafing out in the garage in the dark. At first I thought this was foliage from last year not yet 'discarded' but no...it was live new leaves. And so it has had a head start.

  • 3 months ago

    True it was nice and warm for your caryopteris but I'm surprised how it leafed out so well in the dark! Now that I think of it my caryopteris is planted right in front of my fence which blocks all winter sun so it gets real cold in that spot and probably why it's a little late. I'll update when it blooms.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked Heruga (7a NJ)
  • 3 months ago

    I'll update when it blooms.


    This will be in...August for you @Heruga? For me it is late Agust


  • 3 months ago

    Yup August to September it blooms

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked Heruga (7a NJ)
  • 3 months ago

    @Heruga (7a NJ), I looked back at last year's pictures and I didnt have flowers until September.


    All winter I had plans to take it out of the container and plant it in the ground once I wheeled it out of the garage. I even got to the point of lifting it out of the pot! I pulled it out easily as it was/is completely root bound but a mini emergency came up and I put it back down and now I will leave well enough alone.


    I keep reading that these plants have a shorter life span.If and when it does "leave me" I will for sure buy another one. I have really enjoyed my first experiences with Caryopteris.

  • 3 months ago

    Yea it happens lol maybe plant it in the fall. I didn’t know about their short lifespan.. but these plants(at least mine) keep self layering and making new clones of itself. Hopefully that’ll keep this plant in the garden as the old ones die off.

    rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) thanked Heruga (7a NJ)
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