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Electrical outlets on European stone island

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

My state has not yet adopted NEC 2023 electrical code. So for now, I am required to install electrical outlets in my island. I think that I would have wanted to anyway from a functional standpoint.

Anyway, the attached sketch below shows what my island will look like. It will have a granite top and all four sides of the island are stone--not wood. The idea of cutting into the stone sides has me sick. But having holes in the countertop and worrying about liquids and food particles clogging up some popup makes me sick too. The dimensions are 90" x 52" inches and there will be a 12" overhand on the one side. The sink will be in the middle of the island, with the dishwasher to the right of the sink.

I've read through the threads. Those of you that have popups, are you happy with them? Have they lasted or stopped working after a year? Was liquids/food a problem? I've seen pictures of flush installations on the end sides of a cabinet. Is this my best strategy for now?


Comments (18)

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Whether they are required by code or not they are required functionally. What kitchen designer designing a kitchen of this price point doesn’t have several options to present to you?

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    That pic id useless and I agree this is puzzle for your designer and i cnnot imagine working on a nisland with not plugs to use since mine gets used constantly for prep. I aslo wonder why all stone but to understand that would require real pics posted here and DO NOT start another post.

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    If you don't have a great designer, an great general contractor, working together for this, in person, it will all end up a hot mess anyway. Electrical or no electrical. But there are TONS of options besides pop ups for ktichen islands. Which is why your designer should be discussing the +- to all of the options. For something with such a strong visual statement, Truefig should be on the table. But there has to be room for wires and boxes in the actual guts of the design. It doesn't get magically pasted on the surface as if it's just wallpaper.

  • 2 years ago

    My designer has ideas. I've looked at a ton of different strategies online.


    My island hasn't been built yet, so no pictures. Nor do my questions need a picture. I am asking what others have done and how that worked out for them. I want to hear from users who have lived with these ideas and wish to know if the strategy has held up over time, broke, or had to be replaced. Would they do it again.



  • 2 years ago

    National Electrical Code 2023 does not permit outlets to be installed on the side of the island, which would eliminate Truefig.


    My state has not decided whether to adopt this code or not yet. I am still in the design phase, so I am looking at all options.

  • 2 years ago

    Your location has not adopted the 2023 NEC, unless you live in Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota or Wyoming. Most jurisdictions run 3-9 years back on adopting the code cycle. The lack of a rush to adopt allows the NEC to get rid of stupid sections before a jurisdiction jumps on thrm.

    HU-227031627 thanked HU-574454193
  • PRO
    2 years ago

    They included the junction box inside, because even they knew that was a bad decision that would be reversed in the next code cycle. It promotes the very thing they were trying to eliminate, which is extension cords draped across the aisles.

    HU-227031627 thanked DeWayne
  • 2 years ago

    I'll give an answer on the pop-up question. We have a pop-up outlet about a foot away from our sink. It's also near the stand mixer, so exposed to baking messes as well as liquids. We don't use it very often, but whenever I do extend it, it seems completely clean. No liquid, flour, or other mess seeping in. It's been installed about a year.

    HU-227031627 thanked mcarroll16
  • 2 years ago

    mcarroll16, do you know what brand of popup that it is?

  • 2 years ago

    I think it's a Hubbel outlet. Going by internet pictures and the "TR" printed on the outlet face.

    HU-227031627 thanked mcarroll16
  • 2 years ago

    Thank you, mcarroll16!

  • 2 years ago

    I got lost at "stone on all four sides" -- on the face of cabinets and drawers? or are there no cabinets and no access to the plumbing?


    you can put an oulet in a drawer, if cutting into the exterior stone is painful. Or upper corner of a cabinet. but both are inconvenient to use, of course, but if it's only occasional, might be ok.


    here are a few other things. this appears to be a raised end section, which might prevent passive trickle.


    W23rd St. NYC - Apartment Renovation · More Info

    This next is the only one I have personal experience of, but I was using it on an island that didn't have a sink, so it was more for a laptop or charging.


    Modern on the Prairie · More Info

    Here's a solution with a flip-down door, that is invisible and more convenient than a drawer or cabinet...


    a symphony of parts - the kitchen · More Info

    Here's another one like that:


    Island with Hidden Outlet · More Info


    I don't know about the code on this next one, but it's novel, anyway -- using an under-cabinet like outlet..


    Beaded Inset Cabinets and Hidden Island Outlets · More Info

    Here's a pop-out on a vertical surface:


    A Modern Kitchen for a Retreat in the Woods · More Info

    Anyway, hope this helps.

    HU-227031627 thanked acm
  • 2 years ago

    Have the end panel stop about 1.25" short of the counter and use plugmold there.


    Or - as described - a fold down false drawer to hide an outlet.

    HU-227031627 thanked just_janni
  • 2 years ago

    acm, thank you so much for the examples! I appreciate your help.


    The picture below is similar to what my island will look like. Mine will be a different color of stone veneer and will have granite on top.


  • 2 years ago

    That is awesome and perplexing both. :) With a wall of stone like that, it's gonna be hard to conceal a seam. Maybe inside an existing drawer will work best.

    HU-227031627 thanked acm
  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Outlets inside drawers or false drawers will not meet code for being readily accessible. Truefig is the only real unobtrusive choice. Or a popup that lets you use the stone cutout as the top. Your stone fabricator has to have a waterjet for any of that. For any of this, actually. None of this will be a mail order RTA or DIY type job. Local super high end designers and craftsmen required.

    HU-227031627 thanked Yonder Way Design
  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Such a stone cutout should be grooved for an o-ring, and the countertop hole polished. Pop-ups have flanges and a bit of rise to keep liquids out. If the pop-up isn't approved for such a scheme - neat as it is - it might not pass inspection.

    Even if one cuts a stepped hole so the flange is lower than the countertop, a thinned stone face may be desirable to not over-weight the pop-up assembly spring.

    HU-227031627 thanked kaseki