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Need Advice From Window/glass experts

2 years ago

We had large custom steel windows installed at the back of the house, over a year ago. The frame guy did an excellent job, but we’ve had so many issues with the glass guy, before and after the job was completed. Windows leaking multiple times, sealer was applied in a sloppy manner that ruined the exterior frame, on and on it goes. Today the windows are still leaking. He was hired based on specific criteria. He said he could do it so frame guy hired him. I’m thinking he just wanted the money.


So some questions i have. Is it normal for low-e glass to look warped in several areas when looking out from the inside?


We discovered the glass has fabrication debris on it, so whenever we try to have the glass professionally cleaned, the glass gets scratched each time.


So did he end up giving us cheap glass? And why is it warped?


Would appreciate your thoughts.

Comments (10)

  • 2 years ago

    Pictures may help as glass is not typically "warped" from my 40 years in the business. What do you mean by "fabrication debris"? Why does one guy install the frame and another furnish and install the glass?

  • 2 years ago

    “Fabricating debris” refers to abrasive microscopic defects, including glass fines, which may become fused to heat treated glass as it contacts rollers in some tempering furnaces.


    If debris is left on the glass when it enters the tempering furnace, those fine particles fuse onto the glass surface. The debris becomes a permanent part of the glass itself that won't simply wash off. Then later, when the window cleaner scrapes the glass, it removes the defect and causes scratched glass.

  • 2 years ago

    Millworkman - The frame guy specializes in all things steel. When he makes window frames, he has his own glass guy install the glass. However, these frames required a specific size glass, so he found someone that could do it.

  • 2 years ago

    Millworkman - after the windows were complete, we hired a window cleaner. they did not use any sharp tools, but informed us that the glass was severely scratched. After much research, we discovered the scratching is due to fabrication debris on the glass. we are unable to clean the glass without them being scratched each time. i’m surprised you haven’t heard of this as it’s sometimes an issue in the industry.

  • 2 years ago

    I don’t know how to capture the warping on my phone. i see it, but can’t capture it.


    My questions were concerning warping and fabrication debris, so i don’t know why i need to give the details of how thd frames were built. Frame guy and glass guy discussed how they would install it. Glass guy didnt seal it properly.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    katy,

    How large are the individual glass lites in the steel frame?

    Also are you sure that the glass was tempered?

    Like milworkman said, pictures might be very helpful even if difficult to see the warp. A close up picture of the scratches might be helpful. If you can place a straight edge against the glass might help to show the warp in a picture.

    How the frame was built and installed might help in determining on why the window is leaking.

  • 2 years ago

    By your own admission you have been at this for a while so I must ask why you haven't took action against "glass guy"? Is it because "frame guy"was primary contractor,glass guy was frame guy's sub and frame guy is too nice to hold accountable? IDK how your state is but in Texas it costs $100-$300 to take this through small claims who can award up to $20k damages. We see this a lot here where unlicensed,non-insured and inexperienced people are hired leaving buyer no means of recourse if job fails. We couldn't make it better if a gun was to our head and as for your questions ,you already know windows are defective. As I see it you have 4 choices #1 Sue them #2 Sling them around by the hair on their head until they fix it or leave town #3 Chalk it up as an expensive lesson on taking bids and hire responsible contractor to do it over. #4 Do nothing,stop crying and move on with life.

  • 2 years ago

    I am wondering why you didnt have a custom window completely made in a factory and have it installed. Makes no sense to fabricate a window, and expect it to be water tight.

  • 2 years ago

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