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Culver's root is hard to place

Much as I like this plant, I find it very difficult to place. In some spots the tall vase shape doesn't look right, in other spots the shape of the flower spires would look out of place, and in other spots the particular lavender-ish color of the spires would look terrible...it's just a difficult plant to find the right spot for.


I did manage to find a spot on the west side of the house that suits them beautifully and the right height for bee-viewing out the window, and I've got a couple in the back that don't yet seem to be too tall for the spot they're in (I can't remember the cultivar but they're rather on the short side for a culver's root) but time will tell on those. Now I've got a clump I had to stick somewhere on the fly last year, is the totally wrong spot and I don't know what to do with it. I'm thinking of just relegating it to the pasture but it's probably much too dry back there and I kind of can't bear to do that to the poor thing. Ugh.

Comments (16)

  • last year

    I agree. i had a fantasy of a crest of really tall flowers meandering through the garden. the veronicastrum didnt do it. the tall burnet was too wispy as well. im sure there are weightier plants they would complement but meanwhile the culvers root just annoyed me so relegated to a an empty spot in a flat area- where it looks pretty good entirely by accident ( or annoyance)

    Im trying to recall the ohotos where it looked good. i think it was in gardens which were jam packed and it was massed.. None of flower colors are exciting but i figure its my problem i cant figure out an effective combination.

  • last year

    I know exactly what you are talking about mxk3. I have a clump next to the house that looks awkward and now the stems are falling to the ground. It could be cicada damage. I have a larger clump thats surrounded by similar clumping natives, and it looks better playing a supporting role instead of a star specimen. Even with the fancy lavender flowers, it still looks better as a costar. It can spread more beyond a clump if the conditions are favorable. It would maybe look better in your meadow?

    This Culver's Root is spreading into and mingling with American Ipecac, Gillenia stipulata and Common Mountain Mint, Pycnanthemum virginicum. Makes a nice looking patch in a meadow or prairie.

  • last year

    It would maybe look better in your meadow?


    Don't they need it on the moist side? Or at least not too dry?

  • last year
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    I was kind of hoping mine had carked - dreading another year of frantic watering, but nope, this wet year, it is back, looking horribly vigorous. At any rate, I really didn't want to risk planting this as some highly visible specimen so shunted it underneath a juvenile water-ash, and stuffed a bunch of patrinia (villosa) in with it. So far, it is acting as a pale veil, screening the bottom end of the allotment, like a sort of pastel curtain (there had been a lot of white lunaria and hesperis earlier in the year). Am going to pop in some more patrinia and selinum and let it look a bit wild and formless. Maybe fill in with white foxgloves.

  • last year

    “I was kind of hoping mine had carked - dreading another year of frantic watering”


    Ha ha, yep - frantic watering is right! I had two placed in full sun which have since perished, and now I just have one near my front door in part-shade. Every day its buds/blooms wilt until I give it a good soaking (every single day!) and I’ve already had to stake each stem.


    A beautiful plant, but high maintenance. I don’t see how it could survive in a sunny, dry meadow.



  • last year

    Yea, I think awkward is the right word to describe this plant.


    "Every day its buds/blooms wilt until I give it a good soaking (every single day!) and I’ve already had to stake each stem."


    Lots of plants to do this, you don't need to water them every day. They will perk up once the beating sun is off them. Mine in the west bed wilt every afternoon and early evening in the hot western sun, but they're fine come morning, they don't miss a beat.


    I staked mine early this year, I used those linking stakes thingies to make a big square around them. So far they're staying upright, but they haven't bloomed yet, IDK if the stakes are tall enough to support the tall, heavy blooms. We shall see.

  • last year

    Here in a jam packed garden ;-). I like it near the heavy and tall phlox (‘Robert Pore’?), and the other heavies around it. I do need to stake it, though once I deadhead it (I don’t like the look of the seedheads), I can take the stakes away. It is massive now after our wet and cool spring, and no doubt the tops will flop in the daytime sun, but I don't water it all that often. This is last year September:


    And right now:


  • last year

    Yes you did find;GREAT placements.i like it a lot.

  • last year

    GardenHo, that's more than glorious!

  • last year

    O, gorgeous (as always), GardenHo

  • last year

    Thank you. I did move them several times, so it was nice to finally find a home for them. The purple ones Ive done the same with and still not satisfied…dont know if its possible?

  • last year
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    'gdinie', your top picture is tres gorgeous!

    I think I recall our "Woody" having a beautiful stand of "Culvers Root"....sited beautifully in her garden. Maybe I can search it out. Same with @FrozeBudd_z3/4.

  • last year

    I first saw CR for real at a wonderful garden of houzz member "Sunnyborders". He hasn't posted for so long. I hope he is ok and still gardening.


    So as can be the case with me, I was obsessed with finding a place to plunk such a plant. So here I put it. This picture was from 4 years ago.




    This plant was clearly healthy and vigorous but it did not belong there. I removed this particular specimen a couple of years back.

  • last year

    Wow, that one did well for you, Rouge, but I have to agree that it is not the right plant for that spot. Too bad.

    And Garden-Ho, yours are so well placed. Beautiful combinations!

  • last year

    Much as I like this plant, I find it very difficult to place.


    @porkchop_z5b_MI, you were musing about this years back :)


    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5989123/designing-with-culver-s-root


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