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Comments on these shrubs, please -- updated with pics

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

Have a long, narrow (~4 foot) area of perennial bed next to the house off the deck. I've got annuals and perennials in there but it looks really bare in the winter, and I'm not happy with the plant arrangement so I'd like to add a couple shrubs that don't won't get too wide (3-5' height is preferred since the windows are high).

Here a few choices I'm considering and why:

  • "Hummingbird" Clethra. I think the upright shape would look good in this narrow area and I might be able to fit in a couple if planted on the diagonal. I don't remember why, but Clethra didn't do well at my other house. But this is this house, so maybe. How late until these leaf out in the spring?
  • "Honeybee" Diervilla. Yellow shot of foliage might be nice here and add cohesiveness with the rest of the perennial beds, I have chartreuse and yellow accent foliage throughout. Don't really know anything about this plant, though. And if it stays short I won't be happy with it.
  • False spirea (Sobaria) "Cherry on Top". The foliage is gorgeous in pictures and I think would look really good in this area and take the visual interest level up a notch. I've never seen it IRL, though.

What can you tell me about these, good and bad?

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Update: Ok, so I exercised a woman's prerogative to change her mind and bought an "Annabelle" hydrangea after thinking on it a while and realizing it needed more cohesiveness with the other side of the path. So, I added an "Annabelle", a couple "Southern Cross" ironweed next to her, and a "Cherry on Top" Sobaria down the pathy by the Siberian Iris. Still not happy with the area in front of that little door, but I can't plant anything that will be in the way if the door needs to removed for access to the ductwork under that part of the house; that's why there's a pot there.

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Comments (17)

  • 2 years ago

    In MN, no experience with the Clethera. The diervilla is nice, but it does need a shear midsummer to refresh the foliage if it's in full sun. The sorbaria, like sem, is also very pretty but it runs.

  • 2 years ago
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    Why aren’t you considering evergreens if it’s the bare winter you’re concerned with? Or at least shrubs that have winter interest, like hydrangeas or red twig dogwood?

    Clethra needs moisture and is late to leaf out.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    "Or at least shrubs that have winter interest, like hydrangeas or red twig dogwood?"

    It's a narrow strip right up against the back of the house; it's not prime viewing real estate out the window in the winter, and I have to be careful not to plant anything too large or too wide. Red twig dogwood is way too large, and I already have a lot of hydrangeas, am looking for something different. An evergreen that is going to get tall enough to add visual interest in the growing season is going to get too large for the area or be a shape that just won't work there (e.g. pyramidal dwarf Alberta spruce or those tall columnar shapes).


    Clethra needs moisture and is late to leaf out.


    Well, the good news is moisture isn't a problem in this area -- it's not overly moist, but neither is it dry; I'm blessed with well-draining, loamy soil for the most part. How late is late? Are we talking early to mid May, or going into June or later?

  • 2 years ago

    In NY zone 7 mine leaf out in June.

  • 2 years ago

    Oh wow, June!?!? Forget about it, then.

  • 2 years ago

    Clethra is a plant for acidic soil, and that seems to be non-negotiable. I've tried in several times, in several places, including the swamp, and it's never lasted more than a year or two.

  • 2 years ago

    Clethra is crossed off the the list...


    I could also consider "Iceberg Alley" sageleaf willow. I have one in another part of the back and it's doing great. That silvery foliage is really eye-catching, too.

  • 2 years ago
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    Ilex verticillata and symphoricarpus are winter favourites. And corylopsis, hamamelis, wintersweet. I am really just beginning to dip my toes into shrub world after initially filling my tiny garden, then having to take them all out. I am changing over from massive roses to mannerly shrubs at the allotment too...so also eagerly awaiting tips and suggestions.


    I always have time for firethorn.

  • 2 years ago

    I will second pennlake that false spirea runs. According to Morton Arboretum, it is colony forming. https://mortonarb.org/plant-and-protect/trees-and-plants/false-spirea/

    That was true in my garden and we finally got it out,... I didn't really think it was pretty personally, but maybe mine was a less ornamental variety.

  • 2 years ago

    My comments are based on experience: i dont find clethra easy to keep ” tidy looking ” The interioir branches go every which way and . it looks messy for the long period. before it flowers.

    ”sem” does run and leaves ugly sticks to trim back in spring

    my 2 cents on DAS- overused, gets spider mites

    this space:

    Q exposure?

    Q access ti irrigation?

    Q do snow & ice slide off the roof onto it?

    Q clarify its dimensions again: w x l



    1 what im wondering is do you really need to work on yet another area of your already huge garden?

    2 do you use the deck in the bare season?

    3 since woodies( deciduous or conifer) never stop growing it seems any kind of tree will eventually out grow the space

    4. who sees this space? if its not visible to the public couldnt you live with a mix of tough attractive perrenials? : that big tall polygonatum commutatum, amsonia hubreckii, polymorpha, ( giant fleeceflower) rampant shastas or feverfew,

    5 or just perhaps, let it be and enjoy gin and tonics on the deck with your back to the offending sliver of real estate.





  • 2 years ago

    I’d go with #5…

  • 2 years ago

    Q exposure? Southern.


    Q access ti irrigation? Yes.


    Q do snow & ice slide off the roof onto it? Not that I've noticed.


    Q clarify its dimensions again: w x l: 3-4' wide max x 3-5' tall preferred.


    1 what im wondering is do you really need to work on yet another area of your already huge garden? Do any of us NEED to LOL!


    5 or just perhaps, let it be and enjoy gin and tonics on the deck with your back to the offending sliver of real estate. I look out this bank of windows a lot. My sight line is just past it, but I do look down. And I also see it in full view everytime I go down that path, which is pretty much daily all season. Read: It's bugging me.

  • 2 years ago

    If you like the texture of a sorbaria but don't want the running look at Matcha Ball. New growth isn't quite as colorful as the other cultivars on the market, but it stays put. Other thing I like about sorbaria, for a deciduous foundation shrub, is it leafs out very early in the season and holds well into the fall.

  • 2 years ago

    I’ve looked thru my pics to try and find some suggestions, but can find any that fit your size requirements. I know you said you’ve already got hydrangeas, but it sounds like they’d be perfect there. Of course I’m a hydrangea lover and feel you can never have too many lol (having almost 50 myself)….

  • 2 years ago

    Update w/pics in original post.

  • 2 years ago

    Proof….hydrangeas can help any bed!!

    😀