I think we need more pictures of that 1! LOL!

Yes, but it's a good photo. How about a bush shot, too?

Gorgeous whole plant shot, Jeri.

It's worth noting that this plant got to about 5 ft, and then a gopher ate all -- ALL -- of its roots. We soaked it in water, and replanted it (with protection) and it's almost 9 ft. tall and going strong.

That should provide some sense of why it was used as a root stock, Jeri!

I do indeed. But it is one of many things about it that are so outstanding.

Compare all of the plant parts Grand Mother's and similar all the scents and textures. There is family relationship there. Plus where one flourishes others do .

Now, Kim, I'm glad you said that, because I've thought it for years.

I don't know enough to even begin to guess at the relationship, but that there is one, and that it is a close one, seems to me to be inescapable. The years of living with both make it, to me, a "no-brainer."

"Grandmother's Hat"

"Grandmother's Hat"

'Gloire des Rosomanes'