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Limited budget: replace countertops or refinish the floors?

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

We are in the process of buying a home in the Pacific Northwest. The house was built in the 90s, is an open concept and has had six different owners, each of whom has left their design mark. Unfortunately, there are many different woods with different stains. And many different design styles. I want to tie everything together without going broke.


Here's the complete rundown:

  1. The entry door is a textured fiberglass that looks & feels like wood. The oval insert in the door and sidelights all have brass caming. I think this a Victoria style door? On the outside, the door has standard brickmold painted white. The wide cedar trim around the windows was also painted white but as it's much wider the entry door look smaller. Inside, the casing is hemlock (or fir?) in a Craftsman style. Replacing the door is already budgeted. My plan is to replace with the same size, but double doors with large rectangular frosted glass inserts.
  2. The interior doors are hollow core 6 panel doors. They are the original doors, with brass door handles/hinges. Like the entry door, all the door casings are in the Craftsman style, but they are painted white. Replacing all the interior doors is not currently in our budget. We will replace the handles & hinges.
  3. Red oak floors are throughout most of the house, and they are the original 2.25". They are discolored in many areas from sun exposure and pristine in other areas. They're yellowed in some places, orange in other areas, the original light natural stain in other locations and dirt has ground into the grain of the planks going into the kitchen.
  4. I believe the kitchen was redone in the early 2000s and it now has maple cabinets in a cherry stain. They are a traditional style with pillow edges and "beach themed" pewter knobs. After all the cabinets are thoroughly cleaned, I will replace the knobs with something that is quieter. Brown Tuscan tiles were used for the backsplash and the countertops are made from dark brown granite tiles.
  5. The casings around the windows in the LR/DR also appear to be hemlock/fir. In the rest of the house, the door casings are all Craftsman style and painted white. The exceptions are in the bathrooms & laundry, as they have the narrow original trim. We will replace those door casings to match the rest of the house.
  6. There's a beautiful sunroom next to the DR and the wood is natural stained pine. It's beginning to yellow. The beam is a different wood and at least (for now) that stain is the same color. The door & window casings are pine/fir and the flooring is 12" slate-look porcelain.
  7. Looking to the outside from the DR/LR, the soffits are visible. They are in the same pine as the sunroom. The deck is faded cedar. It will be power washed and stained.
  8. In the bathrooms, the original vanities are still in place, along with the original sheet vinyl. The master bath also has red oak wainscotting.
  9. The laundry room has the same original oak cabinetry. In this room, though, the cabinets have cathedral doors.

Phew! That's a lot of different woods and a lot of different design styles. We will be completely redoing the bathroom and laundry room and we have already been budgeted for them. I want to avoid shaker style cabinet doors for the vanities/laundry because they would introduce another design element.

While we would love to start from scratch in the kitchen, right now we cannot afford to replace the cabinets. I have up to $9K allocated for the kitchen, so I was thinking that I could update the kitchen by replacing the granite tiles with a soft white, single-level quartz ($7K-$8K), remove the Tuscan backsplash and replace it with something more timeless. But I am worried it would just be too obvious that the new countertops are sitting on old cabinets. And look even more out of place and dated. Today I read another person's dilemma who also had cherry cabinets and black granite. She was advised to address the floors first and the granite might not look as bad.

Since we don't have the budget to replace the floors ($30K+), perhaps we could have them refinished in a different stain? I'd love a lighter stain and there are some new water-based stain that would work. Or at least re-stained the floors in a color that would complement the cabinets instead of competing with them.

I would tear out and replace the backsplash myself and fill in the entire space from countertop to the upper cabinets.

So, knowing we have up to $9K that can be allocated to either the countertops OR refinishing the floors, what are your recommendation(s)?











Comments (22)

  • 2 years ago

    If you refinish the floors, would you be doing the whole house, or just the floor in the kitchen? It sound like all of it needs to be done.

  • 2 years ago

    @kandrewspa we would do the whole house.

  • 2 years ago

    @zumi, any idea where I can find "real" wood floors that I can buy and have laid for $9K? We need about 1K sq.ft. Thanks!

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Congratulations on your new home.

    You can count the blessings. Or you can count the problems (most of the problems you have stated, imo, don’t exist. But it is all perceptual and relative . And of course this is not my house!)

    But for my take on it:

    The granite is not a problem. Neither are the cabinets. I would remove the backsplash and just paint the wall area in an eggshell finish- which makes it cleanable/ wipeable - and is a simple, streamlined look and does not visually compete with the granite.

    Below is a rough visual. Just my scribble, but hopefully you get the general idea.



    I would absolutely change the door and bring in another light. Number 1 priority.



    I would also change all the light fixtures in this bathroom. And maybe new faucets. That is all I would do.



    The wood work in this room as well as the view is stunning. I really don’t know what the problem is in this room.



    And the wood floors in the adjoining room look great, too, from what I can see.

  • 2 years ago

    Ultimately, your order of work is up to you, although there are certain rules you might want to follow because they make sense and can save you money. One of those rules is don’t put new counters on old cabinets. If you cannot bear the unsanitary grout situation for food preparation, replace them with IKEA butcher block, but save your thousands until you can afford new cabinet boxes and doors (and probably a new layout), along with new counters.

    I also think you should wait on the front door as long as the one you have works. It looks like your entry opens up into the kitchen. Whatever door you choose now will dictate in some ways the wood tones you choose later. What if you decide you want a more modern look, blonder woods?

    Red oak floors can be refinished to look more blonde and the time to do that is before you move in.


  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    @freedomplace1, I like your idea about just removing the backsplash, repairing/retexturing the drywall and painting the area.


    Yes, there are eight of those lights in the house, all different sizes, shapes and colors. Below is what I used in our last home. It's a great light and is dimmable.




    The woodwork in the bathrooms/laundry is not in good shape. It's stained, there's some water damage and the finish has worn off in places. At the very least it would have to be sanded and refinished. The laminate countertops are pink and past their prime. I cut & replaced laminate myself in another house and it's not that hard to do. The sink is well, "interesting" and I'd want to put in something else.


    And the sunroom is stunning. That's what sold us on the house.



    These are the doors



  • 2 years ago
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    @kandrewspa & @eam44, yes, renovations never go according to plan.

    We finally finished a multi-year, whole house remodel last fall, doing a lot of the work ourselves. I definitely like lighter wood tones and lighter flooring. Our kitchen was done in a European style flat slab, rift cut white oak with book-matched horizontal grain. The floors in the house were large format, light colored porcelain that looked like stone. The bathrooms were done in 20"x20" white limestone and they looked like spas. I agonized over all the details, and everything turned out so incredibly beautiful. But we wanted to move back to the PNW, so we sold the house and here we are - facing sticker shock at the price of housing in WA State! That means we are back to renovating. We will turn this tired beauty into something shiny and beautiful.

    While I do know about the rule about new countertops on old cabinets, the grouted tiles are so unsanitary. I suppose I could steam clean them really well and apply Polyblend's Grout Renew to recolor and seal them. I hadn't considered the Ikea countertops. Thanks!

    I found a floor refinishing company that is known for the quality of their work, and they do the Nordic stains. I saw waht they can do with red oak and was amazed. They will come to the house as soon as we close and provide a quote. We will likely have all the other projects completed before the floors are refinished to avoid an accident.

    The current door is just not my design aesthetic and I want to see double doors with large panes of glass when I come up the driveway. My plan is to use the door shown above and either have it dark on both sides or just paint the interior plain white.


  • 2 years ago

    Get the floors where you want them and then save your $ for the kitchen you want. I highly recommend Bona Traffic finish in satin for a washable non-shiny look. My only other suggestion re: the uneven fading throughout would be to pay for UV window coating to protect the newly stained floors.

  • 2 years ago

    @mnmamax3, Bona has great products including their NordicSeal for whitewashing floors.


    Brilliant idea about the UV window coating! Thank you!!

  • 2 years ago

    I am glad that you are talking to a refinisher. If the floors are good quality oak, with a good refinish and proper care they will endure for 100 years - mine are 85 years old, last refinished 22 years ago and just now ready for a good refresh - even though having had a large dog and several cats traversing them along with humans who wear their shoes in the house.

    Sylva Leduc thanked raee_gw zone 5b-6a Ohio
  • 2 years ago

    @raee_gw zone 5b-6a Ohio, while I would like to have wide plank floors there really isn't any need to tear out the existing floors. You get it, they are solid wood, not engineered so why the urge to tear out and replace? FOMO


    Last week I spoke with a designer, and he said he likes to have the floors disappear and not be a focal point regardless of the width of the planks.


    Glad to hear that your oak floors have withstood the test of time, and pets.

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    2 years ago

    I dislike window coatings on cloudy days they are depressing but I do use solar shades for controlling heat and UV and they allow you to keep the view . Find the best floor refinisher youcan , one thta omes with great refences for sure . Agood one can do miacles to bring all those floors into a good match. As for the kitchen wai untill you can really do it right I would not even bother doing the backsplash but do make sure when you do the flooring that you but enough unfinished to do have stained at the same time and save it for the new kitchen

    Sylva Leduc thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • 2 years ago

    Thanks, @Patricia-Colwell-Consulting, we connected a few years ago when I working on our home in AZ. Now that I am back in the PNW I have to remember the grey days of winter. Fortunately, there are already exterior solar shades on a remote.


    We won't be replacing the flooring anytime in the near future. And maybe not at all. If the refinishing is able to achieve what I want then I'll be putting my money elsewhere.

  • 2 years ago

    @freedomplace1, I'm thinking than rather than remove the backsplash tile and make a mess of the drywall, I could sand, prime & paint over it.



  • 2 years ago
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    You could do that. But if you can get if off without damage to the counter, I think it would be a better look for you. Yes, there would be some wall patching; but imo it would be worth it. It is just an awkward piece. Talk to a good handyman/carpenter. If you decide to paint it - painting it a dark color to complement the granite might be the way to go. Maybe something like Urbane Bronze.

    Sylva Leduc thanked freedomplace1
  • 2 years ago

    In terms of expense and disruption, it is far better to do the floors first before moving in. Paying movers to take out the furniture for a week or two while the new finish cures and paying for your stay in a hotel add thousands of dollars to your expenses.

    Sylva Leduc thanked apple_pie_order
  • 2 years ago

    Counter tops vs floor refinish?

    Easy choice. Floors. Nets you hundreds of square feet of improvement vs counters netting you only a fraction of that.

    Counters & backsplashes can be swapped out anytime and with minimal disruption.

    Sylva Leduc thanked ci_lantro
  • 2 years ago
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    @ci_lantro, the owner of the floor refinishing company came to the new house last week and brought four samples of the light-colored stains he has used on red oak. I've excluded the two outer ones because they are too light. The other two will blend well with the cabinets. The floors will be done at the end of the month. I'll post some pics of how they look.




  • 2 years ago

    Do the floors go under the cabinets in the kitchen? If not I recommend buying extra material finished in the same tone in case you want to change the cabinet layout in the future.

  • 2 years ago

    Joseph Babcock, the floors are being refinished, not replaced.

  • 2 years ago
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    Hi everyone. We had the floors refinished and I was able to get in today to see them. They are absolutely beautiful. I used to hate red oak and now realize that I had only ever seen a yellowed/orangey oak. These floors are light and bright. We opted for a Pallman water-based product called Pall-X Naturseal. It has a raw wood look in a matte finish.