Theoretically, I'd imagine both should be AS shade tolerant as the other. Both are multiflora hybrids and it's multiflora which imparts "shade tolerance" to roses. And, as Setzer is approximately twice the size of Shanley, it may would recover from a deer attack faster. I've not grown P.S. but judging from its heritage, it may also resist deer attacks well. It SHOULD be fairly vigorous, just smaller.

My President Shanley is such a sad specimen 😭 but it's in terrible soil so I'm sure that's why.

I'm sorry, I don't have any advice!

Ah, too many roses! I have been in that position more than once as my collection bounced around my manageable ceiling of about 150 roses. Both times I retreated, and ended up being glad I had.

Right now I have no roses at all. I need to know more about what will thrive here and what will not before I start planting. We moved to a new state where the climate is quite different from the SF Bay area. This year I plan to be evaluating the current garden before I start planting. I do know that the front and back lawns will both be reduced (but not eliminated) to make room for larger ornamental borders. I'm also going to take out about a ornamental grasses (reed grass) which seem to be popular here, but which I don't love in a flower garden. I can see that they can be useful in a larger landscape. And there will be roses, a number of roses, but nothing like the number of roses once had.

I do not know the answer about which rose will do better for you in shade. I have never seen a rose thrive in shade, though some can survive. They just don't look their best. In my own garden, I saw my garden become more beautiful when the proportion of roses to not-roses drop to about a third. This was true in all seasons, but especially in late summer when roses look weary. If it were my garden - and it is not - I would choose a shade tolerant shrub or perennial that is not a rose. Maybe something deer resistant while I was at it. And if I couldn't stand to be without those roses, I would put them in pots and position them in a sunny spot.

On the other hand, at a different stage of my rose growing career, no one could have convinced me not to try. If you are determined, go ahead! After all, it is your garden, and they are your roses.

Thanks for the input! I shall put Setzer Noisette there and President Shanley can share a maple with Malvern Hills!

The title of your thread does not compute.