Does anyone have an idea what the rose that was marketed as Eden, is in actuality? I checked with the nursery, they had no idea. The nursery thought the Eden rose might have been marketed by PanAm.

Thank you for your thoughts, Roseseek. Due to health reasons, I cannot use any sprays on my plants. So in my situation I either lived with the rose scale or got rid of the plants. Seeing as I have over 100 roses in my garden, the decision was made to get rid of not only the gorgeous and otherwise healthy, Eden climbing roses as shown in picture one, but all the roses in the bed beside them as well. Perhaps 10 or more roses were turfed out in this effort. Almost none of them have been replaced. So getting rid of rose scale was very traumatic for myself and my garden. Which is why I waited a few years before replanting a new Eden rose. I ammended the soil before planting as well. This new 'Eden' rose is growing the same as the former ones did. They do exceptionally well in this hot, sunny, dry site. No other rose seems to like the growing conditions with the exception of Preference rose as I recall. I gave that one away as well many years ago. However Preference also really liked this bed's growing conditions. My first clue that I am perhaps not actually growing the orginal Eden rose came this season which is likely into it's third year from planting. The 'Eden' rose has flowered this year with a few flowers in each flowering cycle, the flowering cycles coming one right after another. So the plant is flowering in a very frequent manner throughout the season starting in June. This is in complete contrast to my original Eden roses which flowered exceptionally heavily once with almost no repeat even on mature plants. The flowers as seen above, bear superficial resemblance to the original Eden, mostly in color. However the buds look different, the open flower is completely different without the complex old rose quartering of Eden rose. This is a simpler flower shape with central stamens clearly showing.

The orginal Eden when young, simply produced a couple of roses the first time it flowered, as I recall. These flowers were the large, complex old garden rose shape of the first two pictures. As years went on, the plants produced more flowers in their main blossoming season, eventually creating the show in picture one. Then all the petals dropped covering the ground so thickly there was a two inch layer of dropped petals with no dirt showing. The petal litter was overwhelming. So at no time during the early to later life in the first Eden roses, did they make simpler shaped flowers. Or did they reliably repeat flower.

I can't help you with an ID , but I spray horticultural oil for scale. I don't believe there any health risks associated with that.

I am highly intolerant to a great many substances that wouldn't cause problems for the average person Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley, so I don't use any sprays on my roses at all including horticultural oil.

Here are some pictures from today. This is an older bloom. We are at around 90F. at the moment. As you can see, the older blooms haven't shrivelled in the heat and are showing an open center with no trace of antique quartering.

Here is a newer bloom also taken today.

Here's the original bloom from the third picture at beginning of thread, retaken today. Also note the buds are opening now.

Now compare with the true Eden rose in an even closer closeup.These are not the same roses, imo.

Do you see the incredible elegance of the true Eden rose? The new 'Eden' rose is charming with an old fashioned, cottage vibe rather than true elegance.

I have two Edens, one that is grafted and about 7 years old that is trained as a bush in a pot and one that is own root from Heirloom and on its second summer with me being trained as a climber.

My older Eden sounds a lot like your original Edens, it took a few years to get going but always had the same petal packed blooms and now has a large spring flush and a still substantial but smaller late summer flush. However, that late summer flush can look a bit like your newer rose, Less petals than the first spring flush though it still has the same Eden color.

My new own root Eden also has both bloom forms but seems to be setting up to have a more continuous bloom though its still a bit to young to say for sure. Earlier this season it had looser blooms but now its showing the classic form.

Eden is reasonably popular here in Seattle and I can confirm I have also seen both bloom forms on other Edens here as well. Generally heat and younger roses seem to trigger the looser form in my experience though I also get petal packed blooms in the heat at times so maybe its just a variable rose in some environments.

Heather RR thank you! That is very informative and gives me hope that my Eden rose is actually the correct one. Seattle is close in climate to Vancouver Island both being on the West Coast. Seattle has more rain and warmer winters than Nanaimo where I live. I don't remember my former Edens ever having the simple flowers though it was some time ago when they were young. It is especially interesting that Eden is associated with looser blooms in hot weather. Previously I had never noticed this, but the climate has been heating up over the past decade. My Eden is own root. Own root roses are the only ones that thrive in my garden. One of the things I have always loved about Eden is it's adaptablility to this hot, sunny and dry site. Where other roses burn and crisp their flower petals, Eden seems to thrive here. It is protected up against the house, in a mild winter the rose doesn't even lose it's leaves in winter! I'll keep observing to see if the rose produces the packed flower in future.

Here is my younger Eden today during the latest hot spell and in full all day sun, earlier in the season she had the more typical petal packed bloom form but apparently I didn’t take any pictures. Even though we are not as hot as some parts of the country I think our long summer days have their own challenges.

My old Eden bloomed and grew as yours did. The first bloom was impressive, the fall bloom less so.

I never saw blooms that were mostly pink, only a pink edge.

I dug mine up because it started suckering from the rootstock; the deepest sucoer was from the very bottom of the plant.

A year or two later people here started talking about hos great a repeat bloom their new Edens had. It did not compute.

Then we visited the Hershey rose garden in early fall. There is a 'temple like feature there above the pond. Someone had wrapped climbing rose canes around each pillar' The roses were labeled "Eden" and they were mature canes at least three years old. Healthy foliage. And not a bloom to be seen. No buds either. Not even any hips. I concluded too easily that their Edens were like mine; absent of bloom in summer and parsimonious in fall.

I have no reason to revise that conclusion.

Your current Eden bloom looks exactly like my blooms, Heather RR! I hope my plant produces the 'normal' Eden bloom at some point. I agree that hot weather certainly has challenges when it comes to gardening. No wonder plants go summer dormant in Australia! Still it is a mystery why this behavior is showing up in the current crop of Eden rose plants but didn't happen in the earlier versions of the plant. Stillanntn6b it sounds like your Eden was one of the earlier versions. Too bad about the rootstock. That is another reason I try to grow only own root roses. Be assured Eden growing on it's own roots is not a suckering type of rose. Rather it is the type to send down an anchor tap root.

I’ll be honest, I’m starting to question my memory of the younger plants blooms since I have no pictures. My older potted Eden has been part of my garden for so long I’ve stopped taking yearly pictures of it and the new Eden was more of the same so I just admired it and then took pictures of whatever new roses I have 😄

I’ll be keeping an eye on it and try to remember to update next year in the spring flush if I don’t see more petal packed blooms sooner.

My original Eden is grafted and purchased ~24 years ago from my local nursery (it's so old I don't have an actual purchase date in my database). It has always rebloomed really well... I'd say 4 solid bloom cycles per year. It's in the ground on the north side of a 6 foot tall fence, so gets no deep winter sun. I've always let it grow as a shrub, not training it. The past couple of years, it has started to decline a bit (some fence and tree work hasn't helped), so I bought a new grafted one three years ago, and that one (in a 15 gallon pot) reblooms well too. It's very consistent with the typical full blooms, but that's not to say that it doesn't have a few anomalies. I do live in a cool coastal climate. And I'm sorry to say that I have no pictures of blooms or the whole bush. I'm sure there are some from my old camera, but I have thousands that I never labeled. Not sure if this is helpful :-D

susan9santabarbara yes it is helpful. Thank you for letting me know your experience. If anyone does have a full bloom or a simple bloom on their Eden roses and can take a picture to post here, we could make comparisons to add to the picture. There is a real mystery going on regarding Eden, old and new, growing hot or moderate, early in the flowering season or later. It's very odd! The more information we can get, the better picture will emerge. This is a first for me!

If anyone has an old (but classic) Arena roses catalog, I have a vague memory of a pictuer of the olde Eden there.

stillanntn6b there are many pictures of the original Eden rose. Mine you see above.

Here is the picture from Star Roses of the Eden Climber. As you can see it is the full packed flower, not the skimpy cottage style flower. There is no question whatsoever that the true Eden climbing rose should have the full, petal packed flower. That is what the plant is. So the question isn't what the flower should be, no one is misremembering the blossom style. The question is why are so many so called 'Eden' roses not producing Eden blooms?! I never remember this happening to my original plants. So what we are trying to acertain is have all the plants mutated? Are the nurseries selling an altered form of Eden but still calling it Eden? Is it due to changing weather? Observing how peoples' Eden roses are doing will collect information to try and solve this mystery. For example, if someone grows both the older Eden and the newer version, and the older Eden still produces the full flowers regardless of weather, that would be a huge clue. If at the same time the newer Eden, didn't produce the full flower when under weather stress, again valuable information.

I used to grow Eden many years ago at my last garden which was a slightly cooler coastal climate. My old Eden also only mainly had a spring flush and did not repeat well. This whole thread is reminding me why I have been hesitant to buy Eden in my current garden.

elviez9CA I do hear you! Eden can be a tricky rose. It does so well for me in the hot site, I forgive it for the idiocracies. But have to say this bloom question is very puzzling. Looking today there are seven fully open flowers. None have frizzled in the heat. But none are the traditional full petaled Eden flower. We are in the 80's today, still quite warm but not broiling.