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Crowded kitchen design?

last year

I’m designing my new house kitchen. The house is a scandinavian rectangle: 34’ w x 52’. There is a loft above the kitchen that begins to the left of the dotted line. The area on the left side of the kitchen has an 8’ ceiling, at the dotted line, the ceiling height is open past the loft and is 20’ high. Here’s the issue: I want a wall oven with a microwave over it. I don’t want to look down on the tops of cabinets or walls from the loft (plus a cleaning nightmare). So everything except the sink has to be on the one wall under the lower ceiling but it’s not ideal to have them lined up. I am willing to put the microwave in the pantry or possibly under the island, but I need a place for the wall oven. I don’t need a lot of upper cabinets. This is our retirement home and we are trying for ease and convenience.

Comments (15)

  • last year

    Oops, here it is right side up.

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    A couple things I noticed: 1) it's a long way from your refrigerator to your sink, and the typical work flow is ice-water-stone-fire. 2) You have very little landing space to the left of the cooktop.

    Do you need a pantry that large? I'm asking because just one idea (BUT I'm not a pro) would be to move the pantry door around the corner, move the fridge and wall oven cabinet down but put a narrow pullout between fridge and wall oven. Then your island can be longer and you'd have room for a prep sink. Rough mockup below but others might have better ideas.

    Finally, with a 20' ceiling over it, how will you light the island?



  • last year

    This is a great suggestion chicagoans! (By the way, this house is being built in West Michigan, and I love going to Chicago.) I would have to move the pantry door further down because that X is a post that helps hold up the roof, but I will give this plan some thought. I will have to light the island with very long pendants or eye spots located on the loft. Thanks for the drawing!

  • PRO
    last year

    Is there a reason the drawers under the cooktop are not equal in width? Draw a centerline down the elevation from the center of the hood and center the cooktop on it. The centerline should be the division between the two drawer banks. I'd probably locate the toater oven in the pantry instead of on the counter.

  • last year

    Yes, because I’m not an architect and this is just a rough (very rough) drawing to give my architect an idea of what I want. Lol. Everything will be centered. 😉

  • PRO
    last year

    Believe me, after years of commenting on this site, that is not a given. :-)

  • last year

    It will be fine to place it as you have it. I have that arrangement except my fridge is on another wall, but have a pantry, then mw/oven and 12" next to the oven/mw and then my cooktop.


    I know it is just an illustration of the front, but I don't think you can install a drawer unit end underneath the cooktop. The cooktop needs to fit inside a drawer unit so you would need a small narrow cabinet/drawer unit between the mw/oven and cooktop. Mine is tiny drawers which is not useful (not my choice), a pull out or a baking sheet/chopping board storage would have been better choices.

  • last year

    "this house is being built in West Michigan" I love Michigan! Spent many years as a kid and a lifeguard at a camp in Saugatuck. (Sadly it's gone now.) That whole western coast of MI is so beautiful! Also I'm glad you love coming to Chicago. I always feel blessed to be close to one of the Great Lakes.

  • PRO
    last year

    Move the pantry so it’s IN the kitchen. Eliminate the inside corner because they are a waste of space. I don’t understand not wanting to look down onto cabinets but we all have our quirks.

  • PRO
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    Couple tips on kitchen design:

    • Provide counter space immediately next to the refrigerator to place items just prior to being placed into the refrigerator or coming out of the refrigerator.
    • Provide storage for those items that are washed in a dishwasher in the immediate vicinity of the dishwasher.



    Is it the house that is Scandinavian or is the rectangle that is Scandinavian ?

  • last year

    Boy, I'd sure hate to have the side wall of an oven stack on one side of my range and a countertop toaster oven on the other! No elbow room! The suggestion of chicagoans to get a longer run could help with that, as could a smaller cooktop -- if this is a retirement house, maybe you don't need to cook for the troops quite as regularly. :)

  • PRO
    last year

    To start get an actual independant KD NOT the architect . I dislike ceiling s that soar after lower ones they have a horrible effect on noise , heating and cooling and for sure in lighting design. 20' IMO is just a heat and cooling cash gobbler for no reason at all.. You come here to tell us you want help with the kitchen and then say you don't think this is the right layout but you want to ask your architect . We need a to scale floor plan every window , doorway where those lead and every measurement clearly marked posted here in jpeg form in a comment with nothing in the space . DO NOT start another post all things related to this are now dealt with in comments here . One ceiling height everywhere is the first thing you do

  • PRO
    last year

    "One ceiling height everywhere is the first thing you do" - PCC

    Good advice worth repeating.

  • PRO
    last year

    Your walkways are too small I hve no intention of counting aquares to figure out measurements . I love kitchens with minimal uppers but you need to think function above all else . I do not like walk in pantries usually at least this one is in the kitchen .You never pass the cooking area to go from fridge to sink. If not much wall cabinet then your island IMO needs to be longer with all drawers for storage and I use drawers for all kinds of stuff . All my baking supplies , small appliances , dishes glasswre and of course pots and pans . I spend hours with my clients figuring all of that out before one thing goes on paper . It also is neccessary to see the whole house layout to understand where this space is . I would never have a master bedroom next to a kitchen .Too many missing parts to help with real kichen design