Here’s Full Sail at its best. Looks better than the real thing.

If you can find it, Snowbird is absolutely amazing, and perfectly suited to hot and dry conditions. It can rust (not a problem here, but possibly could be there), but it will out-perform just about any modern rose. Some class it as a tea, but given its heritage, it's a full-fledged hybrid tea.

I got mine from Burling years ago, but Rogue Valley lists it (out of stock), too. It's suffers winter dieback here, and still makes a stunning show by early summer. It should just grow and grow for you.

There are some photos of it somewhere on the forums. If I can track down the threads I'll come back and link to them.

Snowbird on HMF

EDIT: Here are some forum posts about Snowbird.

Thread 1

Thread 2

Thread 3

I second Easy Spirit. Ill need to look into Snowbird. I am always on the hunt for white roses.

Lichfield Angel is my favorite near white of the Austins. It does have a peachy tint in cool weather but bleaches fast

Peachy when they forst open at around 60 degrees

Sorry now that I see the pictures it is not as white as you want. Windshester cathedral may be better

@fig_insanity Z7b E TN, that's a great way that you highlighted the link now that they aren't coloured anymore.

Dianela, your roses are so lush and beautiful. That profusion and color of your first picture is what I want in my garden; I'll keep dreaming.

I grow 3 white HT's that do well in my hot, humid climate. Crystalline, Tineke and a fairly new on called White Princess.

Crystalline. I thought I had photo's of the other two, but I can't find them. Check with helpmefind/roses. They should have all the info you need about Tineke and White Princess.

Thank you Ingrid! Those pictures were from my old garden and Ill be starting soon again. I hope your garden experiences great blessings this year

Francis Meilland, Top Cream, Earth Angel, Polar Express, Paloma Blanca, Madame Anisette

I love PJPII, beautiful rose but alas had to shovel bc of blackspot issues

Healthy pure white roses wirh fragrance are hard to find in my opinion. So many roses advertized as white have cream, yellow, blush or pink tones. Sugar Moon is decent as is PJPll. I also like Kronprinzessen Viktoria. Fair Bianca is good but not particularly robust.

Maria Shriver is new to me so only time will tell if it’s healthy and a true white. Memoire is ok but I can’t remember how fragrant it was so that’s not a good sign

“I want a full-sized rose with lots of the hugest, purest white blooms possible, with fragrance to die for, and WIDE RATHER THAN TALL”

The last criterion would surely rule out most HTs Sylvia?

I struggle to find decent, healthy, heat and insect resistant white roses for my garden so I mostly rely on white perennials now. Two that I have retained that are full size, healthy, very floriferous and tend to be wider than tall are Marie Pavie and The Charlatan, but neither have large blooms and the latter has no fragrance.

One I would be very tempted to try is Sans Souci. The blooms do have pale apricot/pink tones but I can pretty much guarantee they would turn pure white in my heat. I am kicking myself for not adding it to my earlier bare root order, because a potentially good space for it will be vacant very soon!

PJPII is thought of as the default because he’s the best! Amazing quantity of huge fragrant blooms, excellent repeat, and the astonishing ability to produce full size, full petalled perfectly formed blooms in the dead of hot summer.

Sugar Moon is another favorite. Fragrance is just crazy good, all my rose friends who smelled a bloom now have a plant of their own. Taller than PJPII, not quite as floriferous or fast repeating, but still a good garden rose. (White rose on the left).

Here is an older thread on Sugar Moon shoing some pictures in varying stages of bloom. I loved this rose while I had it. Sugar Moon

Thank you, everyone.

Lilyfinch/Jen — Easy Spirit would as you suggest probably work here. How tall does it get for you?

BenT—if I could grow a PJP that was as wide and shrublike as yours, I’d be in rose heaven.

Ken—White Princess looks terrific.mI’ll be checking her out.

Snowbird! I’m going to see if Burling still has her.

Vaporvac, Sugar Moon is gorgeous—but Ben says PJP is shorter. That’s a plus here.

Ben,I watched the video. W o w. How old is that plant? I’m wondering how long it took PJP to get to what he has become in your amazing garden.

Jen, what I like most about Easy Spirit (as you describe her) is the thick petals. I am a fat-petal fan.

Burling does indeed have Snowbird, but methinks she grows too big. She’ll be replacing a HT, after all.

Sylvia, Snowbird can indeed get big, especially in Cali, from what I've seen. But being *technically* a hybrid tea, in spite of already having a lovely shrub-like form she can be pruned. She'll never be a small girl, but she can be controlled, lol. You might ask Jeri what she thinks. She has seen mature Snowbirds out there.

Honor is a great rose in my zone 10b. It does fine in intermittent 100 degree heat if kept watered. After the plant is a few years old, some canes shoot up to 7 or 8 feet with a group of 1-5 blooms at the top. The blossoms have a lot of substance and good fragrance. See https://www.helpmefind.com for excellent photos.

In my Arizona climate pope john paul is the best. I grow full sail right next to it and most the time pope john paul wins the show. I am giving full sail another year because my dogs got it - the fragrance I think. It doesn’t impress me as much as pjp. Lichfield angel is also amazing. It’s always blooming but does blow faster than other and shuts down in extreme heat. It also is more apricot yellow most of the time. Sometimes souvenir de la mailmason looks almost white in my hot climate but that may be because it is still a young rose. Gentle hermione is also pure snowy white in my climate most of the time. Its pink tinged in cooler weather. Its very beautiful with a strong fragrance. It does seem to shut down and stop blooming in extreme heat though.

Top cream is also very promising but I haven’t had this rose for too long.

Full Sail -as good as it gets. Many blooms on the bush, but this was the only one without brown edges and other damage and a general air of dejection.
Leaning to PJP..