I haven't grown them but can also recommend Reve d'Or which is more yellow-apricot. Please see HelpMeFind for some gorgeous pictures. I grew it in zone 9B and loved it. If grown on a wall I would recommend morning sun only.

@susan9santabarbara, Wow! Your Compassion seems larger than life! The flower size looks so impressive! I find the flower shape really different and unique!

How would you describe the fragrance?

Is it difficult to deadhead? Would you share any other features?

@Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland, Beautiful color! I had not thought about Reve d’Or… how easy was it to train and is it very vigorous or mannerly?

I grew 'Compassion' years ago and remember it as quite stiff, but otherwise don't recall much. The blooms, hybrid tea style, are predominantly pink, I believe. 'Crépuscule' is large, flexible, and not over-supplied with thorns, a good tough rose. The flowers, soft apricot, are lovely. Is 'Moonlight' the Pemberton Hybrid Musk? That one is white, but I don't know whether you're referring to it or to another variety.

jjk, Compassion has a strong divine fragrance... nothing I can pinpoint, like specifically citrus, etc., but it's definitely not "myrrh" (anise), which I dislike. Yes, the blooms are large-ish. Mine is easy to deadhead, mainly because I let it drape as much as possible, and since it's mostly not tied to anything, I can pull down the branches to deadhead. So I just lop off the spent blooms as much as possible. Honestly, my only problem with deadheading it is getting around to doing it :-D

@Melissa Northern Italy zone 8, oh, I was referring to the climber from Kordes Moonlight.

@susan9santabarbara, are the branches not so heavily armed that pulling to deadhead is not risking impalement?

I, too, had Compassion and it was indeed stiff. Cré puscule was very nice, too-that one I might eventually replace.

Re which 'Moonlight', thanks for the clarification.

I didn't have Reve d'Or as long as I would have liked because that wall turned out to be too hot for it but I don't remember it as being stiff. It's a Noisette and they are more flexible and thin-branched than other varieties.

@jjkOC zone 10a/22, SoCal No problem with pulling it down to deadhead... just choose the right spot to grab. But I'm someone who doesn't wear gloves most of the time, unless I'm dealing with serious thorns. LOL, I worked for a veterinarian through college and grad school, and was a chemistry teacher for 33 years, so my hands are tough :-D

@susan9santabarbara, haha! You are brave! I suppose roses might be more tame than sharp-toothed animals…although looking at Julia Child this morning, just by a smidge! ;)

I got Compassion as an RVR mystery rose, so I'm glad I situated it by chance in a place where it could climb up a quince and a pittosporum. I just went outside to smell it and a cucumber beetle fell out. When it looks good, it looks great, but it needs a lot of deadheading. I have a fondness for it because I enjoy the books of Jack Harkness and it's my only Harkness rose.

I used to have Crepescule but found it a little one dimensional, although the individual flowers are photogenic. I think Buff Beauty is a better rose.

@Formerly RBEHS Z10A/S17, What an alluring photograph… the multilayered foliage is beautiful and Compassion emerging at center out of the darkness…it’s so very poetic.

Oops about the cucumber beetle! And thanks about the deadheading. I was wondering about that. Does it set hips?

Hm… can you clarify about the dimensionality of Crepuscule? Do you mean that the color is more uniform?

Thank you! It flowers throughout much of the year, so I try to deadhead pretty regularly until late fall. It sets hips if you let it.

In terms of Crepescule being one dimensional, I really liked it when I first got it, but then grew tired of it. It's hard to describe, but I didn't feel like it had the intrigue of a rose like Buff Beauty or Marechal Neil (RIP). If I'm remembering correctly, the flowers lose the apricot and begin to look washed out pretty quickly. But maybe I should have given it more of a chance, looking at some of the amazing pictures on HMF.

jjk, Compassion is an enthusiastic setter of hips, so it really helps the re-bloom if you deadhead it. It's not a deal-breaker if you don't, and it will still re-bloom, but it makes a significant difference if you do.

I've had 'Crépuscule' twenty years now and haven't gotten tired of it yet. Re fading, mine grows on a narrow pergola that runs parallel to a building which is oriented a little north of east. In other words, it gets half a day of sun at best, and seems to do quite well on it. The exposition may help any problem with fading. Mine leads rather a hardscrabble life; I'd like to see it growing under really good conditions. I don't know whether it's easy to contain; mine spreads out to eighteen feet or so. The flowers are apricot and gold, and sweet scented.

I loved mine and agree with Melissa that it did not fade here. I lost it from bad management.

@Melissa Northern Italy zone 8 and @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR, I wonder how long it might take for Crepuscule to crest a 7’ wall?

Would it be better to have the trunk of the shrub in the middle of the wall and spread out canes both left and right, or to plant the shrub at one end of the wall and spread the canes across to the other end of the wall?

I would guess 2-3 years to crest the wall. Either way would work. I might plant in the middle and reduce the need to steer the rose and let it do its own thing.

Crepuscule seems to have such a beautiful presence. I’ve seen a pic of it with some evergreen Clematis armandii which was so elegant. I also think pairing it with Renae might be quite charming.