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What to do with this oddly shaped kitchen?

last month

This is the house I'll be buying. The second reception room has already been extended a while back and so there isn't room to expand it further under permitted development. I could get planning permission to extend it by another meter but I'd rather not knock the extension down and rebuild. I'd like an open plan kitchen with space for a dining table (6 people) and space for a sofa/ chairs near the window to read and enjoy the view. I'm undecided between a single wall kitchen or one with an island (and the island would be one with no seating). A separate utility room would be nice but isn't a deal breaker; however I would like a WC. The room marked as "store" is actually a WC but not accessed internally and access from indoors is important. My preference would be either sliding doors or French doors, not bifolds. The part that makes it complicated is the odd shape at the back, I'd prefer to remodel the inside and leave the external structure as is, but am not sure whether the shape is limiting what I can achieve and whether it really needs to be squared off. All advice gratefully received!

Comments (11)

  • PRO
    last month

    I assume you are not in NA but I aslo do not see a dining room so is one of the reception rooms going to be dining? The kitchen is tiny I agree the best I would do is make it a nice galley but I would do 15" deep cabinets along one wall. Not really seeing the odd shape you are asking about. Is it possible to move the W and D to the space marked store near the entry ? That would be ahuge improvement in function for the kitchen . The drawings are confusing since the 2 reception rooms are said to be the same size but are totally different in the drawing the pictures are also distorted so make helping you very difficult.. Do a new to scale drawing of the spaces show windows , doorways and every measurement clearly marked. Are all the doors you show really necessary they take up space .On the bedroom floor that one tiny space marked bedroom could be a closet certainly not a bedroom. I will wait for the to scale pland to really help with the kitchen space . Are you allowed to change spaces and redo the interior ?Do you know which interior walls are laod bearing it looks like they might all be.

  • PRO
    last month

    I would suppose you might be able open up the wall between the kitchen and the larger reception room, that would depend on your local codes and load bearing of the structure. But that might be the only way. You have a galley kitchen of 12 ft by just a smidge over 6 ft wide, no way to put a dining table for 6 in there and also a sofa in front of the window without removing a lot of kitchen. The WC with an outside door and no inside door- that might be overcome by putting a door between the reception room and WC, and closing up the exterior door. Unless of course, you want your WC to be an entrance/egress point.

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    I’m thinking you could

    - Convert the “store” under the stairs to a WC, just a loo and little handwashing sink for visitors, sure it’s tight but they’re not expected to camp out there, just do your business and be on your way

    - Convert the “store” by the kitchen to pantry and laundry, etc, with the outside door closed off and an interior door leading to kitchen. This gets your washer/dryer out of the kitchen.

    - Remove the wall between kitchen and rear reception room, replace with island and cabinets. Your kitchen’s usable workspace doubles and it feels open and roomy.

    - Place sitting area by the large door to back yard

    - The rest of the rear reception room is your dining room, it is plenty big enough

    - Rather than expand the building perimeter to fill in the missing corner (where the “store” door now is), build a small deck the same height as the kitchen, and put grill and a small sink and fridge. It becomes an outdoor cooking/prep space when weather invites.

    - Alternatively, close up that corner with something lightweight that won’t trigger all kinds of permitting hassles - like a greenhouse extension, maybe skylight the corner of the roof above. Once enclosed, it becomes an extension of the kitchen and you don’t need to move the door to the “store”.

    The third bedroom upstairs seems too small for that. Maybe use as office, WC, library, art studio, etc.

    The rear bedroom could eventually open to a patio built on the ground floor roof.

  • last month

    @John thank you - I love the ideas for the missing corner! With the deck / outside kitchen idea, presumably the access would be via the big doors (i.e. not from the kitchen)?

  • last month

    I would keep the existing door from kitchen to enclosed corner, and have a door from corner to backyard. So you go through the enclosed corner to get from backyard to kitchen or to laundry room/pantry in store room.


    The enclosed corner functions as a mud room, extra kitchen/storage space, maybe you could have a few plants in it too. Depends how big it is.


    You know, I’d also build a deck outside the big window from the reception room, change that window to French doors, maybe a bit of an awning depending on weather. Could put the outdoor kitchen there, it would be much roomier, could have a little table for al fresco dining.


    The deck that forms the floor for the enclosed corner could connect to the deck outside the reception room, basically all one continuous deck with a couple of wide stairs to the backyard. Or a ramp.

  • last month

    The upper cabinets in the kitchen, above the washer, look really cute. You could move them to the opposite wall, above the sink counter. Less waste/expense than discarding them.


    Both washer and dryer should stack in the store room, with room for a small laundry sink, maybe a counter that lowers down over the sink for folding clothes.


    Boy your new house has so much potential!

  • last month

    You can't see this from the plans but it's a 100 foot garden... plenty of space for decking and outdoor kitchens :)

  • last month

    Back yard looks sunny, I see raised beds and flowers, veg, herbs there

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    last modified: last month

    Something like this.



    If the wall between kitchen and dining can't be fully removed, see about making interesting openings in it. See "Kitchen in Brussels" thread for a cool example.

    Pantry/laundry room details subject to size, I think you can fit stacked W/D, small sink, and pantry shelves but need to measure and see.

    Island can have drawers on both sides, dishware and serviettes on the dining room side and cooking stuff on the kitchen side. I've drawn it as a peninsula which maximizes workspace but restricts movement, choice depends on available space. Not sure what the closet-looking space next to it is, storage? water heater? If you can remove that, more space available. You have plenty of storage including garage and shed.

    You'll need new lower cabinets on the sink wall too. Recommend all-drawer, it is a tight galley kitchen and opening a drawer is easier than getting on knees and hunting through a lower cabinet. Large things can be stored in the pantry. DW can be to right or left of sink, depends on are you right or left-handed.

    Gotta re-use the cute upper cabinet somewhere!

    Range is shown in its current position. A range hood would be good, as there's no cross-ventilation in the house.

    I'd leave the greenhouse/mud room as uncommitted space and let its use evolve naturally. Maybe hang up coats, maybe plants with skylight above and gardening bench, maybe a comfy chair for tea and reading, maybe overflow kitchen and small appliance space, who knows. Remember the deck continues into the greenhouse/mud room - this is to (hopefully) avoid the permitting/expense of making that an actual enclosed extension of the house w/ foundation and all that. The "walls" of the greenhouse/mudroom are whatever you can get away with and suffices in your climate. In a Mediterranean climate, could be simple slats. In my often rainy climate, I'd want openable glass or acrylic panels.

    Outdoor kitchen on the deck. Container herbs growing right outside your door.

    Of course, this all depends on being able to squeeze a small WC under the stairs. It will be tight. Be merciless! Your guests can crouch, bump their heads, who cares about them. Harry Potter lived under the stairs for years, Aunt Mille can deal with it for five minutes or however long she takes. Maybe you can steal some of the space occupied by that closet-looking thing next to the range.

    Come back and post pics of what you do, please!

  • last month

    John - that Brussels kitchen is amazing! It is way too cool for me (!) but what a creative approach. I love it.