It's probably Fragrant Cloud.

Moses.

I’m n o expert at this, but to me the color doesn’t look right for Fragrant Cloud…. Might it be the bush form of Crimson Glory?

I agree that the color isn't right for Fragrant Cloud. Diane

Crimson Glory, the Queen of Black Spot, it could well be, but 7' and possibly neglected for a while....Crimson Glory ain't likely to do it alone to get to that stature without really good regular care. Why I speculate that it may be Fragrant Cloud is by comparing artinnature's photo with those provided on HMFR, and see a commonality in color. Also, Fragrant Cloud is one of the earliest ADR winners (1968), so it's survival potential over so many years is superior to Crimson Glory.

Fragrant Cloud, a Tantau rose, was also introduced in the USA by Jackson & Perkins in 1968, and hit the ground running. Every rose garden had a Fragrant Cloud then. Huge flowered, 5", super fragrant, disease resistant rose at that time of, 'spray every day,' roses was unheard of. Artinnature's house was built in 1957 so the timeline is a match for its height in popularity. There also is a climbing form of Fragrant Cloud which this rose may well be, being over 7' tall as reported.

Whatever the case, Crimson Glory or Fragrant Cloud, they're both gems of the past, and if in good shape today, well worth growing.

One last thing...Fragrant Cloud has beauty all the way from first sepal release to petal drop. Crimson Glory blooms in their beginning are beautiful, but shortly look like tired old men, half way through to blossom petal drop, with disagreeably nasty looking quilled outer petals and soiled looking cigar butt like stamens in their centers.

Moses.

Dumb question. Is the fragrance damask or something else?

I still remember opening a 'care package' of cuttings many years ago, and smelling Nur Mahal.

ETA: can we see stipules?

Do you know yet if it reblooms? Any chance of pictures of it growing outside with perhaps some close-ups of its canes and leaves? There is a climbing form of Crimson Glory so that is a possibility.

The two cut stems are still spectacular this evening, and still very fragrant, if that helps. I'm not a rose fancier and only occasional grower, so way out of my wheelhouse. I'll try to post pictures of canes, stipules and foliage tomorrow. The plant is growing in almost total shade, under a now immense Sitka Spruce.

Feiy, I think you might have it! I'm in Portland - the rose city, where are you?

All: I like this rose but it cant stay where it is. Is it likely to survive if I transplant?

Ideally, you'd move a rose while it's dormant, in the Winter or early Spring. But it IS possible to move one in growth, and now is better than when the temperature gets even hotter. Here is a video by Paul Zimmerman, a well known rose authority, on moving a rose in the growing season.

Can you provide us with an entire bush shot and close up shot of the foliage and flowers still on the bush. That way we can get a better idea of what prospects of a successful transplant you may have.

Sometimes it just isn't worth the coddling of transplanting a very old bush, having no certain ID, nor of it's expected future performance. That's especially in light of the vast improvements that have been made in modern roses, especially in the last 10 or so years. New varieties of roses today have pretty much made their care much easier than older bushes, especially compared to those from the heyday of hybrid tea roses of the last century. Today's newer varieties are a snap to care for by comparison.

Moses.

Here's the plant, foliage.

If I move it I'll definitely do it in winter.

The more I look at it, the more I agree with Feiy that your rose is Etoile de Hollande, Climbing. I lost mine several years ago, but my experience is that the climbing version is not only more robust than the non-climbing form, it is healthier, too. Mine was own-root, a cutting made from a friend's garden. She still has hers, and it's glorious in Spring, and it's one of the few roses you can smell from across the garden. It doesn't so much "waft" as it "pounces", lol. Fed and pampered just a bit (like all roses), it is a keeper.

One way to help ID EdH is that the new canes have a blueish/purplish cast. Also, the flower of EdH does not "blue out" the way a lot of reds do. It remains crimson, until it goes almost black as the petals shrivel. Some new canes will be almost thornless, but most will be quite prickly.

@artinnaturez8b It seems a bit late... I have been tidying up the garden recently because of the bad weather so I haven't kept up with this thread. I am in Seattle. My Etoile de Hollande Cl only bloomed once in the first two years. From the third year on, as long as it is watered enough, it could bloom repeatedly here and there after spring flushing. This is not my original rose. I took the mother plant's sucker, pot it up before redoing the garden five years ago. It has always been very vigorous even though it's in a very shade spot. The best time to transplant is of course winter, but if you can't choose the time and the weather is still cool, maybe you can transplant it immediately.

A beautiful and special plant—what a lovely way to honor the history of your garden! The rich fragrance must be amazing, especially indoors. It’s incredible how plants can carry the character of an older home so well.

I have grown rather attached to the old thing in just a few days. I'm not a huge rose fan but I am crazy for fragrance, and the scent of EDC really resonates.

I was under the assumption that my plant is grafted. Do you all think so too, or could it be on it's own roots?

Update: I happened to find the shrubs I wanted to plant in this area, so this old Etoile De Hollande had to be moved early. There was only one thick root going straight down then turning, this is all I could get. It's already planted in a better location. Any chance this thing might survive?

If it doesnt survive Heirloom roses and Angel gardens list it. You can contact them so you can replace it when available. Good luck, I hope it survives.

Keep it well watered and I'd advise cutting the canes back a bit. There's a supposed "rule"-cut back from the top in proportion to what was lost in transplant from the bottom. But don't cut it down just to very short nubs, either. Good luck!

I wouln't cut any of it for now. No cutting back. Diane

Here it is in its new spot, with friends. There has been no wilting at all (weather has been perfect, cool, not cold, cloudy, rainy) it even has a flower bud. Since it hasn't wilted, I was also thinking I would not cut it back.

Good decision, Art. It looks great. Diane

So far, so good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, lol. Hopefully you'll get new growth next Spring. Don't fertilize it until AFTER you see new growth next year. You don't want to risk burning roots that are still getting acclimated.

I agree with no cutback. Give the plant a chance. If the plant self prunes and bits die you can cut them back later. My roses attacked by gophers all lived to the tips when I potted them to regrow roots. It is amazing what roses can do.

Please post an update in the spring bloom season.

Update:

Well, it looks like my old Étoile de Hollande Climber has survived being transplanted with basically no roots. I'm sure our near total lack of winter weather here in Portland has helped!

As you can see it is growing vigorously. I'm fertilizing many of my new plantings now, do you think I should do EdH at this time as well? Any fertilizer recommendations?

Fish fertilizer or organic fertilizer would be safest. The plant looks great!

Looks wonderful! Roses are so tough. Agree organic or slow release to be safe.

If you have new growth, and obviously you do, then it's safe to start fertilizing. I agree with Sheila that you should start out with organics. It's almost impossible to burn a rose with them. Follow directions for simplicity, but if you want to be extra safe, cut the amounts in half and fertilize twice as often. The old rule was that after the initial Spring feeding, that you should fertilize immediately after each bloom cycle, but it's better to do it when you CAN, than not at all, lol. The organics, (especially kelp/seaweed and alfalfa) also promote growth of new canes. Since it's still settling in from the move, you may not see new canes this year, but consistent feeding will make them more likely to appear next year.

Thank you for posting the update. It's encouraging to see such a successful, thriving transplant.

Thanks for the advice. I have to say, the group of folks here on the rose forum is pretty great.

I can already see flower buds all over my plant. I'll post more photos when in bloom!

Happy spring everyone, and stay safe!