Please help me identify this OGR

27 days ago

last modified: 27 days ago

Hi all,

I'd love an ID on a rose in my husband's family. I've asked about his mother's rose before with little luck, but I am more intrigued by it now having seen a sprout at his aunt's, in very different conditions. Both his mother and aunt have a sprout, passed down to them by their aunt, who moved the rose from St. Louis to mid-Missouri over 75 years ago.

Some features:

A medium-deep hot pink
Good repeat bloom throughout the year
Lightly fragrant (old rose)
Gets "crud" (I think), possibly some blackspot, and yellow leaves when it rains, but unsure
Small thorns
I have never, ever seen an aphid, any sawfly larvae, or any other pest actively on it. The leaves do look like something munched on them below, but the only thing that really gets it is the JBs
Neither has been sprayed with anything (although I imagine my MIL's gets its fair share of herbicide drift)
In its lifetime (that we are aware of) it has grown 4 sprouts. The original rose died, 2 sprouts are with my MIL, and one sprout is with her sister

My MIL's rose, which is planted in the middle of a small open field, only gets to about 2.5-3 feet tall. It is mostly upright, largely unattended to, and just gets the occasional shovel of cow manure when my husband and I visit the family farm. It currently has maybe 12-15 buds. Blooms are about 2-2.5 inches.

Her sister's, on the other hand, is over 7 feet tall, is just *thriving* in mostly shade, and seems to enjoy regular, generous heaps of alpaca manure. It also seems to send out canes (?) and will flop (must be tied to a post). It is pretty covered in blooms right now. Blooms are about 3-4 inches, and three times the length of stems on some canes compared to my MIL.

I understand that roses will perform differently under different conditions, but I am just so curious. I welcome your thoughts! Thank you in advance.

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Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley

27 days ago

AAAAllllAAAAlllllppppaaaacccccaaa Alpaca manure can be used directly. No need to compost.

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rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)
27 days ago
Thoughtful photos.

Please tell more about the alpaca manure source.
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dianela7analabama
27 days ago
I have to say the Alpaca manure sounds great for roses. I do not know enough about antiques to identify it but we have super experts here that will very soon.
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Dave5bWY
27 days ago
Beautitiful rose! Ardiosee de Lyon is one possibility. Rose de Rescht is another but RdR generally has a less organized bloom form than you show above and consistently has a strong fragrance.

I suspect the taller plant is so because it is reaching for light but that’s great it continues to bloom in that location.
SamuellaZ6a
Original Author
27 days ago
@rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ) The aunt raises alpacas! We really ought to learn from her re: how she uses the manure. Husband thinks she ages it and makes a tea out of it. We live about 3 hours away so we don't often get to visit, but we've also potentially found number of Banshee shrubs on the property that we are extracting from a bank covered in poison ivy this weekend, so I think we may be here a lot more...
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SamuellaZ6a
Original Author
27 days ago
@dianela7analabama thank you! I agree. We are shocked at the difference between the two roses. One in full sun, not doing too fab--but the other just vibing in mostly shade with some help from the alpacas. I am so intrigued!
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SamuellaZ6a
Original Author
27 days ago
@Dave5bWY Thank you! I think those are both excellent possibilities. Rose de Recht was one I was looking up last night, actually, but I think Ardoisée de Lyon (or something similar) is more likely. I had an Ardoisée de Lyon that I lost to RRD, but I recall the fragrance being very strong. I will say though, the fragrance of the two cut roses we got from his aunt yesterday has improved today. Interesting!
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
27 days ago
last modified: 27 days ago
Not RdRecht.

Small, organized blooms.
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Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
27 days ago
I can only echo what others have already said: good photos, not RdR. I don't recognize the variety. Further questions: does the rose sucker out; does it set hips; is it deciduous, and does it color in the fall? I've noticed in my own garden that roses that are shrubs in full sun can climb surprisingly, if they need to reach the light and have support.
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Diane Brakefield
27 days ago
Samuel, what excellent photos and meticulous information. And such a gorgeous rose. Why don't you try growing it? Take a cutting, or something. I wish I could help you, but will defer to Sheila, who also shows us a gorgeous Rose de Recht.

Rifis, many raise alpacas and llamas our here in the West. It's been a thing for decades. For a while, it was "in" to use llamas as pack animals in Idaho. Alpacas and llamas are in pastures just down the road from here, and also those furry Highlands cattle, so cute. My son in law's mother had a llama dumped on her acreage years ago, and she couldn't not find the owner, who was obviously someone who had given up on his llama. She raised Lonely the Llama in her pasture for years. Sorry for the digression. Diane
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