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Help, small kitchen, how do we fit a table for 6?

27 days ago
last modified: 26 days ago

We love our home, but are trying to still figure out how to fit a table where family and friends can all fit.

We've thought about getting rid of the island and replacing it with a farm style table, but we like the prep space and storage.

A friend mentioned building a tall storage wall as a solution to removing the kitchen island if we go with large farm table in the middle, (where the current table is pushed up against the wall) .

I'm afraid it will make our kitchen look even more smaller and narrow.It's been years and we still can't figure it out and are hesitant to remove the island if we're not confident of our replacement/solution.

Any ideas? What would you do?

We still need clearance for the chairs and we don't mind having one bench for seating so it can be tucked away when not in use for walkway clearance, but prefer chairs with backs.

Dimensions of the kitchen are: 14 feet 2 inches (width) by 13 feet 11 inches (length).

We do not have a dining room. It's a small home.


Updated with the floor plan we have. The two long rectangles (drawers that kept dog bowls for food) against the left wall, before the living room zone begins, has been removed already. The kitchen has been renovated from its original layout when we moved in 4 years ago. We don't have the original plans.


Thanks for everyone's feedback! Hoping adding the plans below can provide more insight into feasible options!







Comments (31)

  • PRO
    27 days ago

    Subtract 6' from each room dimension, and that is what size table will fit. And that 3' aisle space is the smallest aisle space that an adult can edge paste someone seated and occupying most of that 3'.

    Natasha thanked Minardi
  • 27 days ago

    hard to say without a drawing and dimensions. just peering at the photos, I’d guess you have to give up the island.


    does the house not have a separate ” dining room” space? is it being used for something else?

    Natasha thanked John Liu
  • 27 days ago
    last modified: 27 days ago

    can you fill in the fridge spot w the island cabinets...for a coffee bar ....place fridge against long wall about where pendant is above the wood table...get side panels for it. then place a round table further up toward living space in that part of kitchen.....about the level where the white table and plastic tote are sitting. you just want the fridge further ...toward the back. a round pedestal table is always the most accommodating


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    Natasha thanked herbflavor
  • Natasha thanked Lyn Nielson
  • 27 days ago

    Are you willing to make the island do double duty as a rather tall dining table?


    Again lacking measurements, but it sort of looks like if you replaced the island top with a larger one with some overhang, moved the island over a bit (hopefully the flooring continues under), then you could seat six on stool-height chairs such as the ones you have.


    If you want a regular-height dining table, and if the island is long enough, you could have the part of the island closer to the sink at "kitchen counter height" and the rest at "dining table height". Kind of an odd arrangement but could work.




    Natasha thanked John Liu
  • 27 days ago

    I'd say in this situation just change out the island top for one with overhang into that walkway and on the side closest to the living room to accommodate 6 people with stools.

    Natasha thanked Nova
  • 26 days ago

    Please submit a detailed floor plan of the kitchen.


    Do you have extra tile to use if you eliminate the island?

    Natasha thanked yvonnecmartin
  • 26 days ago

    Was this kitchen redone before you bought it? Is there anyway to see the configuration before they stuck that island in the middle? A banquet is a super easy way to seat 6 where a table and moveable chairs usually fits half that. But you need a corner. I agree losing the island would open up a ton of footage.

    Natasha thanked arcy_gw
  • 26 days ago

    Plenty of space. Turn the island 90 degrees and you can also possibly widen it. Need an accurate scale layout.

    Natasha thanked dan1888
  • PRO
    26 days ago

    For any valuable suggestions you need to draw and post a simple floor plan that shows all dimensions including doors, windows, hallway space, island location in the room, etc.

    Natasha thanked lisedv
  • PRO
    26 days ago

    You can install a full wall of shallow tall cabinets 12" deep for storage and pantry and then place the table and chairs in the ceinter of the room.





    Natasha thanked BeverlyFLADeziner
  • 26 days ago

    @BeverlyFLADeziner thanks for the mock ups. I find the images you've posted have bigger kitchens and lots of large windows / high ceilings. One thought is a tall wall with windows on the very top to bring in more natural lighting so it doesn't feel too narrow and dark. Need to look into zoning too.

  • 26 days ago

    @arcy_gw, agreed about the banquet seating. We don't have a corner for that. Later on getting a cabinet depth fridge can provide more walk through space to work with if we move the island.

  • 26 days ago

    @John Liu yes we're willing the kitchen island to do double duty, but everyone is over 40 in this home (Except the kiddo) so comfortable non-stool seating is preferred.


    What about a waterfall quartz style table that looks like an island but at table height?

  • 26 days ago

    I have had smaller kitchens with tables. I've never had an island. A lot of counter space when cooking is used up by items waiting to be put on a table, or prepped for the next step of a recipe, or cooling from out of the oven. These can all be put on a table instead of an island and don't involve bending to a lower surface to do actual cooking work.



    Questions:


    Please add a simple drawing with measurements of your ENTIRE kitchen and living area.


    Can you post another pic of your living room set up?


    How many of you live here and eat on a daily basis? How often do you need to expand to seating for 5-6 people?


    Do you go in and out of the sliding door often? Do you need to keep that pathway clear?


    Could you move your outside/back door elsewhere? To the wall where your white table is?


    Seating Ideas:


    - Make your island smaller - chop off the seating area.


    - Counter depth fridge.


    - Round or narrow oval tulip table with leaves in area that straddles kitchen and living area. Tables with one center leg are best in small spaces.


    - Redesign your entire living room. You clearly don't use the fireplace. The uppers on your built cabinets are merely decorative space. What you store in your lowers could be stored elsewhere with a smarter space redesign. Not having the depth of your built ins will give you more space for a table that straddles this kitchen living area.


    Small space ideas:


    Two different floors are a problem. Hardwood through the space would greatly expand the flow and usability of these two spaces as one.


    Redesigning living and kitchen together. You have to look at layout of both spaces at once.


    Are you trying to block the view with the brown curtain? If not, take it down. If so, hang it higher all the way up at the ceiling. Can you get a color that matches the walls?


    REDUCE COUNTER CLUTTER. Relocate the countertop oven to the wall where your current table is located. Narrowest cabinet possible with an outlet for the oven.


    What is currently on your counter to the right of the range?


    Why, oh why do all of my friends with the smallest kitchens have dish drainers? Wash everything in the dishwasher. What do you have that cannot go in the washer? Whatever it is, put a small towel down on your soon to be kitchen table and let it dry there.


    REDUCE VISUAL CLUTTER.


    If you redo your counters in the future get ones the same color as your cabinets.


    Get a right angled upper cabinet in the corner instead of a diagonal.


    All recessed lighting.


    Lots of people have tables instead of islands, but cabinet makers and stone yards make more money off of islands so they have become the norm. I've never had an island.




    Natasha thanked Kendrah
  • PRO
    26 days ago

    That is a kitchen that should never have had an island so yes remove it . You can certainly use the table for prep it has been done for eons. If storage is a big deal a wall of pantry is a great idea just not too deep . No waterfall counter ever in that style of kitchen but the fact is no island is the answer .All the stuff on the left side along that wall needs to go so does the huge mirror . Than a table that can be enlarged for those times some extra seating is a must. The kitchen lyout is not great and a huge fridge in a tiny space never good. But that is something you will need to decide how far you want to take this for a really well functioning space

    Natasha thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • 26 days ago

    With everything removed from the left wall opposite the kitchen, you can turn an island without seating' You'll have space between the island and the living room for a table and chairs. I'd plan on a small 4-person table with leaves for the occasional use. At those limited times it will feel crowded. You have to prioritize.

  • PRO
    26 days ago

    If you have 6people living in such a small home, it may be time to move to a larger home. If 6 people occasionally are gathered in a home for 2 people, then a local restaurant hosting seems like a better idea.

  • PRO
    25 days ago




    Natasha thanked lisedv
  • 25 days ago

    Beverly nailed it. Take out the island, get a comfortable table with terrific chairs and use the left wall for narrow storage.

    If the people in this house are NOT children, then island eating is a negative. Stools are not as comfortable as chairs, eating on stone isn’t as good as wood, and conversations are inhibited by a linear seating arrangement. I hope you have the flooring to fill in the island area…..

    Natasha thanked RedRyder
  • 25 days ago

    You may lose an island, but will gain congenial dining with a table. Loss of storage…add low built ins (so feels more spacious) and will be useful as a extra surface, ie: prepping area or when entertaining…buffet or serving station. The measurements are key and tape out, look for a narrow table (but long) and allow for space behind the chairs. Once these are figured out, you’ll have a better sense if fridge should be replaced; maybe wait until you have worked in kitchen for a bit.


    Natasha thanked Maureen
  • PRO
    25 days ago

    There doesn’t appear to be enough room for even the minimum required aisles with a real sized table. This is a home built for 2, using a tiny cafe table.

  • PRO
    24 days ago

    Beverly got it- the wall of cabinets with the table in the middle. Though even without cabinets I would still remove the island in favor of a goodly table.

    Also, murphy table can work in a space like that if you are really reluctant to remove the island. It would mount on the wall where the mirror is now, and fold down or out for use when needed.

    Natasha thanked beesneeds
  • 22 days ago
    last modified: 22 days ago

    Thanks @Kendrah. I'll need to find some time to measure my kitchen with a more accurate mock up and more pictures including the living room.


    I'm looking for options when we host my family or friends for dinner so a 6 seater, or a 4 seat table with expandable leafs to seat more could work. This happens once every month or so.


    Reducing clutter is a dream. Having a busy toddler in the home is antithetical to that goal. With the summer months, the toddler goes in and out of the sliding door to access the deck and yard.


    Never thought of the possibility of removing the depth of the built ins next to the fireplace as an option to create a space for a table.


    We dry the toddlers plastic lunch boxes and bottles that still come out wet from the dishwasher on the dish rack.


    Thanks for your detailed notes and audit of the space including adding a photo for a visual idea! <3

  • 22 days ago
    last modified: 22 days ago

    @Pegasus Support Services

    We live in an expensive city, so moving to a bigger home makes no financial sense. There are 3 of us in the home, 2 adults and one toddler.

  • 22 days ago

    "Why, oh why do all of my friends with the smallest kitchens have dish drainers? Wash everything in the dishwasher. What do you have that cannot go in the washer? Whatever it is, put a small towel down on your soon to be kitchen table and let it dry there. " Many do not run their dishwasher every day. Pots/pans/knives etc get washed by hand because they will be used again before you run the dishwasher. People who cook two/three meals a day in their home every day have very traditional needs and one of them is yes a dish drainer! ILove my three compartment sink for this reason. The drainer fits in the right side but I also have a drying mat that yes I need and use daily.

    Natasha : The toddler years are fleeting and we have all been through them. Take heart the busy world of toys and STUFF will pass sooner than you can imagine. It's not clutter it's LIFE!!!

    Natasha thanked arcy_gw
  • PRO
    22 days ago

    Not sure it's possible to fit a table of that size in the space you have.

  • 22 days ago

    Sometimes sellers make a remodelling mistake and the buyers try to live with it. In this case, replacing the island with a table and chairs would be a huge improvement for the current family and their occasional guests.

    Natasha thanked apple_pie_order
  • 21 days ago
    last modified: 21 days ago

    How about getting a good folding table and good quality folding chairs? Set up in the living room when needed.

    I did this when I lived in a small apartment.

    If you remove the island you can get a larger table. It doesn't have to be in the centered if off to the side wirks.

  • 21 days ago

    I like Bev’s idea but I think the full height shallow pantry seems to overwhelm and shrink the space. Consider the same approach but bring it to counter height. Then you’d have a long ledge for art, photos, etc. you’d still get a ton of storage but also the ability for layering and adding personality. Sconces on either side of art or the mirror you have would be great.

    Natasha thanked thinkdesignlive
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