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Let’s talk ‘Old garden roses’

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One of my methods for relaxing is trying to decide which roses I’d like to plant next year. So my new obsession is ‘old garden roses’. YouTube channel by Fraser Valley roses seems to be very informative. However I’d like to see pictures of old garden roses in your garden. Which ones would you recommend to me? I’m in zone 9B, northern CA.

Most of the famous fragrant roses in this category seems to be once blooming - Kazanlik and Ispahan for example. If you grow such a rose, do you pair them with a repeat blooming variety?

I saw Ben’s video from last spring. He has Mme Isaac Perierre which he says blooms once. But both Heirloom and HCR describes it as repeat bloomer. So my question is: do these roses behave differently in different conditions?

I could hardly find much reviews on Souvenir Du President Lincoln. It’s claimed to rival Mme Isaac Perrier. Do anyone grow this rose?

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    You might want to Add the antique roses To this thread.


    Antique Roses

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    All gardening is local. Rose growing got into trouble when it forgot that basic fact. One of the reasons people get into OGRs is that they date back to a time when you grew what liked your conditions and wanted to grow for you.

    When I started with OGRs, there were three basic groups - Northern, Southern, and West Coast. There was surprisingly little overlap between the three, though some of that was cultural. So if you want recommendations for OGRs for your climate, you are going to have to talk to the Californians in the Antique Rose forum.

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    I linked to it, but don't see it added. Also, OP it easy to add your zone and location to your name!

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    You might also want to consider tea roses which should do well in your zone, unless fragrance is your primary consideration. Bourbons will also do well for you, and they are fragrant. In my 9B so. CA garden Souvenir de la Malmaison was a champ and like all the Bourbons it is fragrant.





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    Galadriel, it’s so true that your specific growing conditions dictate which OGR’s will do well for you. We are of a similar zone, but In my hot and humid and often rainy summers, teas and noisettes are not suited at all, with the exception perhaps of Mme. Alfred Carriere. Gallicas and Albas are a not an option. My Mme. Isaac Periere has a decent first flush, provided that it’s not too wet because then it balls, browns and gets bad black spot. It produces a few, small, scattered blooms later, but In more temperate climates the autumn flush is often the best. In drier conditions it’s also much healthier.


    The portland damasks and some bourbons do pretty well for me and I like the fact they repeat. Roses like Rose de Rescht, Jacques Cartier and Yolande d’Aragón. The latter does have some gallica blood but copes fine. Some Chinas are OK, like Cramoisi Superieur, but Mutabilis died in the winter freezes at my altitude. My best OGR is probably the repeat blooming bourbon Mme. de Sévigné, but I believe that is out of commerce in the US.

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    For some reason, I find it quite difficult to navigate Houzz - there are so many issues like I can’t tag anyone or aDr link.

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    Grr!! I found out another issue while complaining about them.

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    Anyway… thanks everyone!! Very valuable and beautiful info :)