I killed one from a 4" pot

ron

Is that why your username is as such .

I dunno but I don't think the oversall size/shape might be within my lifetime....it's incredily slow.

Dang Ron. I think I jinxed it. One of them has some typical fall needle drop. The other one has like 1/3 of the interior that is brown. Brown enough that when I walked past it, I had to do a double take. She's still alive....but what the heck. I did buy 2....one as the backup.

I planted one this year, it’s maybe the size of a small orange. I hear they need excellent drainage, so I put it in a raised bed with some Lawson Cypress trees in the hopes that that’ll do the trick!