Rosefolly,

I highly recommend Henry Hudson. It's a little, but powerful rose. A rose that laughs at winter, it most certainly is, no question about that, having no need for any winter protection, whatsoever!

Moses.

I very much like rugosas. I have grown several in a couple of different gardens over time. The cloves-and-old-roses fragrance many of them have is heavenly. But I do not like their rampant wanderlust tendencies. I would have to find them grafted. How I miss Pickering Nursery! It is possible that I will grow Henry Hudson some day, or Marie Bugnet which I have also considered, but at this point I'd rather find a white repeat blooming OGR such as the ones I listed above.

Has anyone in zone 5 had experience with any of the three roses I listed?

I'm growing Nastarana. It doesn't die. It even occasionally blooms. I don't think I have photos since I don't think it's ever deserved photos.

I had decent luck with Trier until RRD go it. The chlorosis was amazing, but it bloomed reasonably well.

One thing that may be further against the noisettes.

Most of them have been in commerce so long that they've picked up assorted (not RRv) viruses over time. I've grown a lot of them and many have had problems with winter.

OTOH, I have one that is my seedling, an accident that I let grow until it bloomed in its third year. Talking to the late Doug Seidel about it, when I said it took three year for it to bloom, and I described the bloom and form, he happily called it a noisette, because of the years it took to bloom.

It has never had a chance to have viruses grafted into it. I think that's the unexpected strength.

In my much warmer than Denver clime, what has damaged many roses isn't the cold but the warm spell that pushes new growth (sometimes in late December sometimes in early February). The new growth at bud axils grows enough so that when it freezes, it becomes the site of stem killing canker. (Or in the case of one magnificent cane of a Graham Stuart Thomas, ,thirteen cankers spread out over four feet of cane.) Just protecting the canes did not work for the Susan Louise that I tried many ways to grow, and failed in all of them.

You might want to look at roses introduced by Frank Skinner, the High Plains in Sask and Manitoba make Denver seem balmy.

I have Guirlande d'Amour and it's a tank in zone 5. It grows to the size of a Volkswagon and blooms all season once well established. Give it space because it will take over its spot. My husband will routinely say "what is that white rose in the backyard" and even with 100s of roses in the backyard I know which one he means without looking. It's tip hardy and a robust rose. You can't go wrong with that one.

Cynthia

I was also thinking of trying guirlande d’amour this year if its available. its a shame how much competition there is for some of the most suitable cold climate roses. i wouldn’t mind trying out buff beauty or even jeri jennings either, if i could find more anecdotal information about its hardiness.

Thasks for the information, everyone.

It sounds as though of the three, Guirlande d'Amour is most likely to be

successful. I''m concerned about the size though. I had "mannerly" in mind.

This will take further thought.

If you want a mannerly white compact bush, I've been very impressed with the constant bloom of Cassie. It makes a mound about 3.5' each way and is never totally out of bloom. The flowers are like a hybrid musk but without the immense size of G d'Amour.

Other very cold hardy HM-like roses are the Norwegians Ole and Lena. They make 2' little mounds that are also rarely out of bloom.

Cynthia