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Help!!upper kitchen cabinets asymmetrical

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Im wondering if there is a better layout for the upper kitchen cabinets.I would prefer more symmetry but am not really sure how to make that happen?would appreciate




any suggestions/recommendations!





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    The cabinets are fine, but why are the windows set at different heights? That is what catches the eye.

    I would do windows with the header height shown on the right and the sill height shown on the left, so a slightly taller window for both.

    Bayis thanked chispa
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    I'd completely ditch the uppers to the right of the hood vent (the two singular ones flanking the window. Even better, remove all the uppers on the stove wall and let the window wall shine.

    Bayis thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
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    Youre not showing dimensions. please offer the wall spaces and these cab details. id let the far left cab / left of window…at that smaller size be the solo small selection. Id skooch stove to the right so a dbl door cab on left of hood corresponds to a similar dbl door to right of hood ….then deal w wrapping in and around the corner with inches remaining. Corners can have various features like glass doors, some shelf or easier setup. some folks do a diag in corner. inches are needed to give options. its also wall heavy… is every inch of this volume necessary? For example the cab on wall above mwave blocks window daylight and maybe a single shelf for small plates would suffice. issues like that to go through for each of the wall sections. must ask.....are your ceilings less than 8 ft? Have a suspicion you're under standard ceiling height....care w upper cabinet load on walls in these cases.......some open space can assist ...sometimes tile / wall sconces /glass doors...and so forth...become the better choice for sections. Your island looks massive..can you bring it in by some inches...it might help with overall balance [aisle on the right looks too tight]

    Bayis thanked herbflavor
  • last month

    Box in your hood fan remove upper cabinets to left of hood fan and add shelf’s

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    A 42" hood is the choice for a 36" range, especially when you choose gas instead of induction.

    Bayis thanked dan1888
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    I don't know how accurate your drawings are, but I would not want my microwave drawer installed proud of the cabinet face like they show. They can be installed flush, so make sure your cabinet person orders the right type of cabinet.

    Here you can see a MW drawer installed flush in slab cabinets. It's the little details.

    You might want to post your plan and elevations ...

    Hudson Heights Residence · More Info


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    Are your doors proud of the face frame, above the door? I wouldn't want that either.

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    I would also ditch the uppers. If you think you will have a storage issue, at the very least remove the single ones and a single one to the right of the vent hood.

    Remember that you can add open shelves, that will give you some storage if you decide to remove all the uppers,

  • PRO
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    The issue goes back to the really amateurish space plan design. Post the entire room measurements, and how that room fits into the house as a whole. Look like the idea is that you are trying to make a giant kitchen by taking over the breakfast room. Which isn't working. It's ending up awkward and oversized for the rest of the house. And much more expensive than it needs to be.

    Bayis thanked Minardi
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    " but why are the windows set at different heights? That is what catches the eye. "


    That and the different widths and wacky and different lite cuts make it a tough view.

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    The whole plan is poor. Which greatly contributes to the poor cabinet layout. Using a limited stock size cabinet line only exacerbates the problems with everything here.

    Go back to the drawing board. Draw out the room as it exists NOW. Indicate the openings and to what rooms, and where the kitchen faces, etc.

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    Thank you everyone for your comments they are very helpful!This was an initial sketch that she put in 3D for me so I could better visualize it. Thank you for pointing out the inconsistencies and your ideas regarding the cabinets are most helpful!

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    Remove the two uppers near sink. If possible, move the stove/vent a bit to the left and test different combinations and suggest a more substantial hood, which will help with balance.


    Maybe ask your kitchen designer to work on improving symmetry and even functionality.

    Bayis thanked Maureen
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    Symmetry doesn't matter -- in the kitchen, functionality is key. As long as the design is balanced and makes the best use of the space, you'll be ok. I hesitate to judge based on the two walls you are sharing.

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    If the goal of this rendering was to simply give you a visual Thats works and you can now see the issues. Take the feedback others have shared here back to your designer and ask for tweaks and changes to make it better. Expect to go through a few different plans before you land on the one and hope that each plan gets better and closer to ideal.

    Bayis thanked WestCoast Hopeful
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    You have too many uppers! It is a large kitchen, I think you could do without some of the less useful storage space. The range hood isn't wide enough - you'll want it 42" as noted above and then leave some breathing room on either side (i.e. don't have cabinets right up against the hood). Why two sinks? Unless it is a kosher kitchen, I'd remove one of them or shrink it down to prep sink size.

  • PRO
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    Sorry but this is not a good plan. Why is the cleaning sink next to the stove? It should be the other sink. The cabinet sizing is all off - 18" wide door next to a 12" wide door? Don't do that. The microwave is too far from the ref IMO. The B15 for garbage is small. The blind base 42" is almost useless. Who knows what is happening with this island.

    Can you post an actual floor plan with all the dimensions of your space and maybe some existing pictures? This needs some TLC. There are brilliant minds here, just post the basics and we can fix it for you.

    Honestly, the layout and the perspectives really give me pause as to the experience of your designer. Let us help you....

    Bayis thanked Debbi Washburn
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    I echo others - this is a really bad design functionally. Do you have a fully measured layout of the Kitchen space? That would be a big help.

    We can help you get a much better layout if you're willing to work with us and provide the information we need. See the Featured Answer to the "New to Kitchens? Read Me First!" thread.

    Here's a sample of a fully measured layout (it's also in the Read Me thread).


    If this is a new build (or addition), tell us. Let us know what can/cannot change (and why it cannot change).

    Bayis thanked Buehl
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    Thank you so much for your honest input and offer to help. I will post the room measurements as soon as I can. It is new construction (we gutted the kitchen) so everything can be moved/changed except that there is already a window on the side with the microwave. It is a kosher kitchen which is the reason for the 2 full sinks and microwaves. Really appreciate your input thank you

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    I added the full measurements of the kitchen ty

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    Are the windows existing? Are you open to changes in window size and location? What about moving plumbing? Is there a budget that is limiting options for you?

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    There is a window on the side with the door but it can be made bigger and certainly open to more than one…plumbing will have to be moved (was a very small kitchen initially)…would like to keep costs down but will do whatever is necessary within reason:)

  • PRO
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    I would add, you really should show the entire living floor . The kitchen doesn't live in isolation from the rest of your home: )

  • PRO
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    Got it - kosher kitchen. What size sinks are you planning? Do you need 2 dishwashers? or dishwasher drawers? Is the stove the divider for the countertops - meat one side and dairy the other or is the island acting as the second top?

    The island is a little too big. Your walkways around the kitchen are tight.

    Some questions


    The floor plan you posted looks different than the perspectives that were given you. Was there a reason for the shift of the wall oven?

    I think there are still some positives that can be created here - just need all possible info first.


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    How do you clean a 6' wide island ? And if there are lights above it - how do you reach them for cleaning?

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    Ty Debbi!i didnt think the wall oven at the far side looked right or was very practical..thought it would look better in the corner…do you think differently?

    the wall ends by the light green arrow (its the entrance to the dining room)..the door by the other green arrow is a sliding door and the blue arrow us where we have our kitchen table..

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    Can def shrink the island it is usually my msin work surface…i only need one dishwasher but 2 microwaves:)

    the counters dint necessarily need to be split the way i did it but it just seemed more practical that way…

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    Thank you Debbi!I really appreciate you taking the time to do this and your suggestions...definitely an improvement on the original layout;)

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    Do you plan on laying across that island to clean the center of it? Think about how far your arm can reach to clean. It is too big. The middle of the island becomes useless space with an island that big.

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    Yes you can reach across that island. I am sitting at my desk - 32" deep and I can reach across and touch the other side while only leaning in a little. So from each side, she would be able to easily clean and island that is 60-63" across. The original island was 72" across - that is too deep IMO

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    @Debbi Washburn I was talking about the island in the OP's original plan. 6ft x 7-5 ft.

  • last month

    Yeah, this layout isn't working. Just not attractive. Thoughts:

    - The most offensive item is the single cabinet between the window and the range. It's too small. It sticks out.

    - Your best choices: 1) move the range to the island ... or 2) move the sink to the island and move the range to the side where the side window currently is.

    - As someone else pointed out, the windows are mismatched. This does stand out in a bad way.

    - You have 15", 18" and 24" cabinets. 24" cabinets are kinda standard, and they're great -- but try to get rid of those smaller cabinets. The necessary edges /hardware eat up so much of the space -- they're practically worthless. Maybe you could finagle the 24"s until you end up with fewer cabinets /more 30".

    - No to duplicate sinks. Plan one well-done sink, centrally located.

    - Your island is 5' wide. Can you reach the middle to keep it clean? I personally can't, but I'm much smaller than most people. Are you going to have a set of cabinets under the overhang?

    - Switch the refrigerator and freezer. You want the refrigerator nearer your main work area. what are you putting over these two appliances?

    Bayis thanked Theresa Peterson
  • last month

    Thank you!These are really helpful ideas, I really appreciate all of them!

    My thought with the large island is that while my kids are sitting on stools and doing their homework/eating snack, I can be making dinner on the other side, but it does seem like the general consensus here is that it is too big?

    Thank you Theresa for pointing out the size of the cabinets!I definitely would prefer larger, I will ask them to reconfigure the cabinets to 24"+ as they will be more functional...

    with regards to on top of fridg/freezer was just going to place cabinets..is there a better option?

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    Also with regards to the upper cabinets, I am definitely going to remove the small cabinet between the sink and stove...do you think I should also remove the one to the left of the sink?Would using a wooden hood cover help with the look?

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    Open shelves to the right and left of the sink! On the left, you could even go with an L to maximize the space

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    I would put the frig MUCH closer to the stove top as I often grab items from frig when have a pan or skillet on the stove and 1 step away is great. With the windows on the walls, not sure how to do that. Put the stove under a window and the frig where stove top is now in drawing. No need for a hood over stove - they just make noise. I had a stove in front of a window looking to back yard in a rental house and enjoyed it.


    Be sure the island is table height or use a table instead. Bar height islands are not as easy to use for prep work and legs dangling on high bar stools are very uncomfortable.


    Also use real wood floors or real linoleum, even VCT with high gloss finish. Plastic fake wood is cheapo, and tile is hard on legs & dishes. And if possible, get cabinets of plywood instead of particle board/fiber board which off gasses and is cheapo (and 95% of cabinets unless you buy antique cabinets or vintage metal cabinets). Stay away from trendy looks and go as traditional as possible or the kitchen will look cold and uninviting and look out of date in a could of years. No grey and no black!!!


    Two sinks not necessary.

    Bayis thanked terrib962
  • PRO
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    Personally , I would not remove those cabinets. I think it will look strange.



  • last month

    Thank you Debbi!I like your suggestion of moving the oven down a bit to make the cabinets more symmetrical and maybe enlarging the cabinet/counter to the left of the window?