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Dishwasher location - Mistake by builder?

last month

looking at this house and noticed that they didn't put the dishwasher next to the sink. I opened the cabinet next to the sink and saw they ran the hose through the bottom of the cabinet. Seems like a mistake. Thoughts?


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  • last month

    Seems pretty dumb to me. Perhaps there is a reason for it that we can't understand from these pics. It should be no problem plumbing wise to have it that far away. Mine is (for good reason) and the plumbing works just fine.


    Makes me wonder what other silly things they may have done. Like put quartz behind high BTU burners.


    Post more pics and I'm sure folks on here will find plenty to tear apart. People on this discussion board are great at it.

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    Well - not sure. Thing is that the cabinets above the DW are the logical place for the dinnerware that’s going to be unloaded from DW. If DW was right next to sink there’d be no room to stand to left of DW to unload into cabs above. And, standing to right of DW wouldn’t work either because it’s too long of a reach from standing in front of sink. When loading dirty dishes from sink to DW, person is standing in space to left of sink & right of DW. Just right. So, I think they put DW in exactly the right place.

  • last month

    The only thing I can think of is that it would have been directly in front of the island which would block having the door open and needed to walk on both sides to put dishes away so they moved it over to be in the isle. Another glaring thought-Are those toe kicks face flushed. That would be a pain in the a$$ for me when standing at the counters.

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    No clue. That said, if it's a home you are contemplating? Show more of it, it seems a relatively easy thing to fix.

    But......you have NO idea how many dumb things are done per request by an owner......stomp a foot certain .

    I stomped MY foot here, "reverse the drawers/DW!!!

    "No. J wants it like that.

    You will hate it.

    "No.....He won't change it"

    "does HE cook, or you cook?

    Day of install?

    "MY dishwasher is on the wrong side!!" WAH!


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  • PRO
    last month

    Did the other owner insust on stuff that was wrong and a contractor just does what he is told , I see a giant range Why?? Do you love everything else but this then get the house but if this is one of many things then you need to access if this is the right house for you. Is this new build ? If so then maybe the builder screwed up

  • PRO
    last month

    Are you contemplating buying the house. If so, ask the listing agent if they know why the dishwasher was located here. There could be a reason but can't imagine what it might be. Is the location of the dishwasher a deal breaker for you? It shouldn't be terribly hard to have it relocated if it does present a problem for you.

  • last month

    I think you will continue to find questionable decisions. It looks like the sink isn’t centered under the window which may be a clue to a string of other bad decisions.

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    If the DW to the right of the sink would block the island when open, the aisles are much too small. The whole design is a hot mess, frankly. If you have the funds to redo it, hire a kitchen designer and make that happen.

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    Maybe the designer just thinks it will look better to have identical cabinets in either side of the sink -- particularly this prominent apron sink -- rather than a stainless steel dishwasher on one side and a cabinet on the other.

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    Unless it's a Kitchen originally built since the 1980s/1990s or so, it's possible this is a partial (or piecemeal) remodel of a Kitchen that originally did not have a DW and the only place to put it was where there was originally a 24" cabinet.

    More likely, it's probably what Jan said!

    Regarding the sink, it appears to be right-aligned with the window, which means someone standing at the sink will be able to look out the window and not at the stile/frame b/w them - it's actually a better setup when you have a center stile/frame in the middle of the window.

    Otherwise it doesn't make sense from what limited view we have:

    • It's tight b/w the DW and cabs to the left and, depending on the person, there may not be enough room to stand b/w them. It would make more sense to move it next to the sink so there's room to stand. The NKBA recommends at least 21" from the DW to the cabinet run perpendicular to the DW, so the 12" is 9" too little.
    • However, putting it and the dish storage b/w the sink and range is a bad design overall. It puts the Cleanup Zone and Dish Storage in the middle of the Prep Zone, making it difficult to have someone prepping/cooking and cleaning up/loading the DW/unloading the DW at the same time. Ideally, the DW and non-prep/cooking Dish Storage should be on the opposite side of the sink from the range side.
    • Unless - is there a prep sink in the island in front of the range? Maybe that's where the owners prepped, not next to the cleanup sink. I'd still recommend not putting the DW on the left, but maybe there's something else going on to the right of the sink that we can't see?


    We can't see the entire Kitchen, so we really don't have enough information.

  • last month

    I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question and not really a Kitchen in a house they intend to purchase.

  • last month

    They probably did it because a farmhouse sink butted against the side of a DW without a filler can be awkward. Can't see the cabinets that well.

    And because of the layout if you wanted to prep right next to the sink, you'd be prepping over the DW which is not ideal. I think it should be right of the sink ideally.

  • last month

    I think the location is fine - unload the dishwasher directly to the two large cabinets above it

  • last month

    I just looked a bunch of houzz photos with white apron sinks. If a dishwasher was placed next to a sink, the most common approach was to equip it with a custom panel that would match the cabinet on the other side of the sink.

  • PRO
    last month

    "I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question and not really a Kitchen in a house they intend to purchase."


    I'll ditto that : )!


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    Builder or kitchen designer?

    Dishwashers typically drain into the same plumbing as the kitchen sink. The further the distance, the more complex the drainage setup becomes to ensure proper function and prevent clogs or odor issues. In some cases, a separate, properly trapped and vented drain line may be necessary, which often requires professional plumbing work.

    Why do you ask? If you are considering buying the house, then ask your home inspector's advice. If you are posting foolish question, then find another venue.

  • last month

    From the Bosch dishwasher installation manual:

    "Be sure the unit is installed close enough to the sink so the drain hose length does not exceed 92"...and so that a portion of the drain hose is raised at least 33" above the floor level."

    92" is more than seven feet and none of that plumbing stuff is needed.

  • last month

    I'd say the designer/builder was in love with symmetry over practcallity re the dishwasher and 2 cabinets beside the sink and the centre opening double door upper units, for best access all four doors to left of sink should be hinged on the left, most certainly the two in the corner.

    Standing at the sink you want a glass for water-both left and right open doors will block your reach/vision.

  • PRO
    last month

    It's not a big deal, however, they should have run the drain line through the top of the cabinet, not the bottom. The drain line needs to run from the sink base cabinet floor to a high loop behind the sink before attaching to the disposal.

  • last month

    Perhaps the drain line high loop was made inside the sink cabinet before it runs through a hole in the bottom of that cabinet into the adjacent cabinet. That's how I did it.

  • last month

    Could simply have been a preference, especially if someone is hand washing pots, etc and another is helping to load. Our dishwasher is not close and at first disliked. Now I appreciate the distance after large meals when a few people are helping with the clean up and the space is handy.

  • last month

    Loved the rest of the house when we toured it. It was a full gut remodel and priced in the upper luxury range so expectations are high to match the price. Seriously consider offering on the house but it’s one of the few things that cause hesitation- wife thinks I’m being picky but all of our previous houses have had dishwasher next to the sink. They ran the drain and electrical cord exposed through the bottom of the sink. If we bid was planning on asking the builder to move it. just wanted to get a gut check that it wasn’t just me that thought it was in the wrong spot since I’m the primary dishwasher. Additional picts of the kitchen.

  • last month

    I always rinse my dishes before putting them in the dishwasher, and can't imagine taking that extra step AND dripping water all over the floor to do so. With the placement of the refrigerator, I think it's also best to have the dishwasher to the right of the sink, to keep it in the Clean up zone, as others have already noted. I would definitely ask the builder to move that dishwasher.

    Also, the aisle between the sink and island looks awfully narrow!

  • last month

    drcindy: "I always rinse my dishes before putting them in the dishwasher"

    Don't do that. Just scrape off the food. It's the dishwasher's job to wash the dishes. Rinsing wastes water, energy, your time, and can reduce the wash quality from dishwashers with sensors.

  • last month

    For what little it’s worth, I have a cabinet between my sink and my DW now, and had the same arrangement in my last place. Never bothered me.

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    Is that cabinet a faux front masquerading as the garbage pullout? If so, I think it's kinda clever. You can scrape food debris in the garbage and then put plates in the DW. But I suspect, as others have said, it's because a designer was enamored with symmetry, not practicality.

  • last month

    I have a pull out trash bin between sink and dishwasher to do the scape and load. Was actually quite convenient and I could take a dish out of the sink, scrape and load without moving my feet.


    I agree that the farmhouse sink to dishwasher transition may be awkward here too if DW was right next to the sink.

  • PRO
    last month

    I think if this is the only issue and the rest of the house you love I say go for it and you might find it works as is but IMO not a big enough issue to keep from buying a house you love other than this . BTW on the subject of rinsing dishes the new DW soaps are not as effective if the dishes are rinsed befor loading . I aslo do my pots in the DW too not my copper ones but all the stainless ones Janni has a good point as far as scraping the dishes so might work here too

  • last month

    What Stax said. On the left would be irritating for me but DH would love it as he's left handed and always veers left!! 90% of what is washed in the dishwasher goes directly in the cupboard above it at my house. "Looking" and using are two different things. FUNCTION is what matters most in a kitchen.

  • last month

    Appreciate all of the comments and feedback. Builder/seller agreed to move the dishwasher next to the sink and retrim. Our existing house and the one before had dishwasher immediately to the left so used to loading to the left over the past 15years. Hoping to close by end of the year.

  • PRO
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    IMO a bad idea now the DW when open completely blocks the path through that part of the kitchen My advice live withit and see how it works before doing something that will make you crazy . BTW I am very left handed and have honestly had DW on both sides and never had an issue . For me all those lower cabinets should be drawers that would be abigger issue for me .

  • last month

    Larger problems AFAIC is the quartz behind the cooker and non recessed toe kicks. Lack of toe kick area is tough on back because you have to stand back and lean forward. After having live in an old house rental once where the cabinets didn't have a recessed toe kick, lack of toe kicks would be a deal breaker for me.