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Kitchen Layout Help?

20 days ago

First time posting… looking for some feedback on my current kitchen layout and would like to know what you would do differently. I’m planning on having wrap around seating at the end of the island.

In a perfect world I’d like a little more space behind the seats but I also don’t want to island to feel to separated everywhere else.

Any suggestions to make this better is appreciated! Thank you!

Comments (24)

  • PRO
    20 days ago

    Needs work. New build?

    Is oven = stove?

    Show more of the plan so adjacent spaces/paths are understood.

  • 20 days ago

    Yes, that is the oven and stove. Thinking about moving the dishwasher to the other side of the sink as well.

  • 20 days ago

    New build.

  • 20 days ago

    Is this a ranch/single level home? I am asking because you've located your cooktop on an interior wall (needs to have a hood over it that is vented to the outside).


    If you'd really like some great advice/help, please post a scaled sketch of the floor plan with dimensions for every interior wall/window/door/doorway/etc. You can use graph paper (you can find links to print off graph paper) OR use a ruler (1/4" = 1' scale).


    If you are brave, post the floor plan for the entire house - unless you are not building a custom home = you are only able to make small changes. You will end up with a much more functional house if you listen to the comments you'll receive from pros + experienced non-pros.

  • PRO
    20 days ago

    What bpath and danni said. A u-shaped kitchen with no through traffic is far preferable to what you have now. And then you could move the range closer to the outside wall to vent it.

    Also don't move the d/w to the other side of the sink. You want it on the opposite side of the sink from the cooking/prep area. It's better the way it is now.

  • 20 days ago

    It’s a custom single story ranch house so I can make some changes.

  • 20 days ago

    Here is the plan before I decided I wanted the garage on the side of the house.

  • 20 days ago

    If you go back to tha plan, but move the closet and bathroom to across the back of the garage, you have a convenient kitchen, and keep non-cooking/eating traffic out of the kitchen,

  • 19 days ago

    The sum of changes to the initial plan didn't work well in comparison to the original. Sometimes you really have to rethink a design when making a change, which may alter the concept of the original substantially. Here, the issues with the Kitchen are emblematic of just trying to make something work good enough after making the Garage change.

    Not sure if a Pocket Office is desired or useful, how much seating you'd like (your island fits 3 people), and whether a Bar/Butler-style area is required (which you now walk through to Master), but I would try some different schemes to arrive at the chance for a more successful Kitchen. I would include manipulating the Garage layout and the Master layout, and relocating backhouse areas.

  • 19 days ago

    I’ll mess with moving the bathroom to behind the garage. I’m just going back-and-forth if it’s really that big of a deal with the mud room entrance going through the kitchen, considering it’s U-shaped and there’s two paths of travel. I could add a mail slot to the mud room to handle the clutter and can access the laundry through the master closet. And yes, l would like a small pocket office for a quieter workspace and a wet bar. I’m finding it very difficult to make all this happen without expanding the square footage. If someone could sketch out a rough draft, that would be very helpful.

  • PRO
    19 days ago

    I’m finding it very difficult to make all this happen

    Have you considered an architect or good designer?


  • 19 days ago
    last modified: 19 days ago

    There are two routes through the kitchen, but that’s the problem, they both go right through the kitchen, along counters where you prepare food and clean up, etc., aisles where the cook or bottlewasher stand and transfer dishes and pots.

    This isn’t a kitchen question, but are you sure a jack-n-jill bathroom and walk-in closets are best for the secondary bedrooms? JnJs, does one person have to unlock the other person’s door when they are done? Does someone have to walk through a bedroom to clean, restock, or repair something? And walk-ins can be dark and get cluttered especially on the floor more than reach-ins.

  • 19 days ago

    I wouldn't want path of travel through the kitchen like that. I think the original design is better. I'd look to change the jack and jill bathrooms to normal bathrooms by converting the walk in closets to reach ins as bpath has suggested.

  • PRO
    19 days ago

    I agree about the original design, as I mentioned a U-shaped kitchen as shown in the original plan is much preferable than what you have changed.

    But I'm confused, you say that the home is a custom home, but you're altering a purchased plan? Custom homes are usually designed by an architect and no two are alike. So who's your designer and why aren't you having the home made to your specifications?

  • 19 days ago

    I am not altering a purchased plan. I’m working with an architect and a designer but I wanted to get feedback from other sources. It’s just hard to conceptualize what I want in a layout that makes sense. Personally, I’ve realized I’ve been spending more time with the architect and less with the designer. I will schedule a meeting with the designer to go over these ideas. You all have brought up some solid areas of concern and they will be addressed.

  • PRO
    19 days ago

    "I’m finding it very difficult to make all this happen without expanding the square footage. If someone could sketch out a rough draft, that would be very helpful."

    If you're working with an architect, then it's his/her job to figure out how to give you what you want. Just clearly communicate your wants to the architect and they should be able to figure it out. That's what they're trained to do.


  • 17 days ago
    last modified: 17 days ago

    I used to comment frequently in Kitchens, but it's been a while because I usually don't have time to return to answer questions. However, since you've asked for a rough draft, and since you potentially have one of my favorite kitchen layouts with sink, range and fridge forming a work triangle on one side of the kitchen (using the original configuration m/l), here's a plan with cleanup zone just outside the primary work zone and space for snacks and coffee station also outside of the work zone proper. I added a small sink in the snack/breakfast/coffee zone as plumbing would be easy due to the wet wall being shared with the laundry room. The sink could provide a secondary or tertiary prep zone for helpers, and an undercounter fridge could hold frequently used items to keep grazers out of the cooking zone. With this plan traffic is not routed past a major appliance, so might work for your needs:



    I didn't alter the island because I'm not sure of the exact size and configuration. If you don't want the range hood vented to the front of the house it could go straight up to the roof. ETA, I forgot to address the trash issue--one trash pullout would go beside the main sink, under the prep space, with a second small pullout between the undercounter fridge and the second sink.

  • 17 days ago

    Mama goose, so glad to see you back! and yes, that layout helps with keeping an efficient and pleasant work space, and directs traffic to and from the garage through a good path where one can drop off or pick up packed lunches, water bottles, and travel coffee mugs.

  • 16 days ago

    My first question to understand how to fix the Kitchen, backhouse, and Office cubicle is why the 3-car Garage move. For a typical city lot, that would extend the length beyond most lot frontages. If it's a rural 5 acres, not a problem, but then that brings up more questions, like how did you decide to position the circulation to it, and what happens behind it in the yard.

    Another thing that is really bothering me both with the original and yours, the cathedral of the Living and Lanai carries through for a grand statement, and the front Porch is trying hard to do the same, but is relegated to a little sidekick just slightly off in width and separated by a flat-ceiling'ed Foyer/Stair. Add to that you've added closets (symmetrical from only the 6th step down at that) to the Foyer which has constricted it too much.

  • 16 days ago

    Thanks mama goose for the kitchen layout. That makes way more sense for everyday life and definitely solves the traffic problem.

    I will definitely be changing the Jack and Jill bathroom to allow one main entrance into the wet area. I can see forgetting to unlock doors turning into an annoyance.

    Just to be clear, I have been working with my architect and multiple designers on the layout. As you know every designer has their own opinion and it’s impossible to make everyone happy. My goal by reaching out to you all is to get more feedback without killing my wallet.

    3on the tree:
    I wanted to move the garage to the side because originally it was extended way into the front yard and I feel it took a lot of “curb appeal” away from the rest of the house. I have plenty of property so the width was not a concern.

    The foyer was originally 7 1/2 feet wide which was great but I also viewed it as wasted space considering everyone can use more storage. The staircase will be an open design to the foyer so it won’t feel as tight as you’re saying. Not sure what you mean about it needing to be symmetrical to the staircase.

  • 16 days ago

    I wonder if you’d consider a service entrance in the mudroom? Yes, the garage is right there, but a service door would allow the repairman, kids, PTA moms dropping off their contributions for the class party, a place to avoid the foyer? and a quick exit from the kitchen to go get the mail or package delivery.

  • 16 days ago

    I will definitely be adding a man door to the front left garage corner to avoid having to use the garage door

  • 16 days ago

    But you’re right I could also change the orientation of the bench to be against the pantry wall and add a door opening against the small closet

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