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Squeaking subfloor

15 days ago

I'm trying to quiet a squeaking floor in our kitchen. It has recently started to get loud. When I looked at the floor from the basement, I saw someone had driven in dozens (several dozen, really) staples through the floor. They were in a rough, random line along a distance of 4 feet along this piece of plywood subfloor, but strictly between the joists. The staples were protruding a half inch from the wood, and they had strongly splintered the bottom face of the plywood. I think this had weakened the subfloor, so that after many years of walking on top, it has started to stress the subfloor. Above this is directly in front of the kitchen sink, as well as the stove, so it is a daily high traffic area. However, there is no sign of water damage that I can see. What you see in the picture is after I've gone through and cut the protruding staples off with an oscillating saw, so much of the splintering is gone too. It looked way worse at first.


Why they had to use so many staples in a small area is hard to guess. The flooring above is a no-wax vinyl flooring. It is 30+ years old now, but we really do not want to replace it, and it is still viable.


My thoughts are to first laminate a piece of plywood to the floor from below. (How thick? Do I need 3/4" ply? Is 3/8" sufficient or inadequate? I have some 3/8 in stock, if that would suffice, but I want to do it right.) Do I use liquid nails to hold it in place? Polyurethane glue? Finally, to truly stiffen the floor, and to hold the plywood in place, I was thinking or running a few 2x4 pieces across, between the joists, and screwed to those joists, with glue also to attach the 2/4s to the plywood stiffener. That would stiffen the floor, as well as hold the plywood in place while the glue dries. How long do I need to wait before we can walk on the floor while the glue dries?


Do I need to go in with an angle grinder over the entire area to make sure I have ground off all the protruding staples? I don't want to take a risk and find that anything I do then pushes staples back up through the vinyl flooring above.


The bays between joists on either side of this one had few or no staples, but they do also squeak somewhat. I'm thinking the subfloor in this one bay has gotten so weak, that the entire floor can now flex a little on either side. So I probably need to stiffen the floor on either side too.


I'm thinking my plan might be overkill, but not actively bad.



Comments (4)

  • PRO
    15 days ago

    The staples are probably there to fasten underlayment to the subfloor, and are not weakening the subfloor.

    Squeaks happen where two surfaces in contact are moving, like between your subfloor and floor joists.

    I'd fasten a 2x4 like I've shown to the joist and subfloor -- PL Premium Polyurethane Construction Adhesive and with a few screws into the joist.


    John D'Errico thanked PPF.
  • 15 days ago
    last modified: 15 days ago

    Have someone walk over the squeaky area and try toid what's moving. 1/2 or 3/4" ply over the whole bay would be the first layer. I'd use thickened 2 part epoxy like West and jacks with 2x uprights to create upward pressre. Do a dry run without glue to see how much upward jack pressure stops the squeaks. Let it cure 24 hours at least. Then sister 2x pieces on the inside of both joists to lock the repair in place with glue and screws. Upward pressure would help here too. Under the joist also. Take the time to solve this forever. You're really lucky to have this much access. Repeat elsewhere as necessary. Using jacks will allow a couple ways of doing this depending on what you find on the first dry run. If a gap opens above a joist that will require glue and jacking at that stage. You and a walker on the floor can do different things to decide on the best course.

    John D'Errico thanked dan1888
  • 15 days ago

    Interesting idea about using jacks and a dry run. You can feel the floor is "bouncy" between the joists, why I believe the floor itself is flexing. What I may do is rig up a dial indicator (I have a couple of them, I'd just need to rig it) under the floor to see the extent of the flexing when walked on. But yes, I want to fix this right, and if that takes some more research, or a combination of things, I'll do it.

  • 15 days ago
    last modified: 15 days ago

    Rig rhe dial under eachnjoist too. More info leads to more solution options. Floor jacks you have or can borrow are infinately adjustable. 4 x 4s would be stable as extensions.