Bonjour dagmar7408 and Congratulations again :) We would love to see a photo !! and a warm welcome to the Lacanche Family

Really interesting thread! My problem is the LOUD OVEN FAN with our new Electroluxx gas range. The fan comes on w/ preheat (standard bake or convection setting), and stays on til cool. It's loud and annoying, and makes oven cooking no fun. FYI -- The stove top has been been great.

This oven fan issue totally caught me by surprise. I've come to understand it's an industry-wide problem w/ the newer ranges -- to protect the electronics. That said, I'm guessing there are ranges on the quieter end -- ours measures at 65 decibels (done via phone app). Any recommendations? I saw a few others posted this problem, but there seems to be no solution, except maybe wall ovens are more quiet?

My retailer is happy to return this range, but has no recommendations, and without decibels listed in specs or way to try ranges out (they are not hooked up), how do I avoid making the same mistake? THANK YOU!

my 7 year old kitchen aid wall oven is very quiet and my 2 year old whirlpool wall oven is very noisy; i have no idea if its industry wide, that all brands are getting noisier over time. let's just say i use my KA more often because of it. thank heavens the house isnt open plan, if i had to sit in my kitchen or adjacent to it with the fans going id go nuts.

the crazy thing is dishwashers have gotten so quiet... and ovens noisier. GET YOUR ACTS TOGETHER, ENGINEERS lol.

The fan on my two year old Electrolux induction range has started up during the cleaning process which never did before. Will have to wait until I need to clean it again to see if it will be a problem.

@nnigrt, Someone needs to conduct a study to see if those quiet dishwashers clean as well as one that are more noisy, i.e., that have a food grinder in them like dishwashers always used to have. I noticed that one model of Kitchen-Aid (the top rated model in Consumer Reports) does have a grinder so you don't have to manually clean the filter. Frankly, I'll put up with a little noise to get cleaner dishes, but I also don't mind cleaning a filter if I have to. My youngest also found it helped her get to sleep as a baby.

I was recently at my second daughter's house and her dishwasher did not do an adequate job at all! I don't know if was the fact that she used store brand detergent packs or the fact that she needed to clean her filter or a combination of the two, but her dishes did not get clean enough for me. (Mayo was stuck to a plate and fork after washing which is just gross!) I actually wiped some dried food out from the dishwasher door gasket. I'd rather wash my dishes by hand if that what new dishwashers are like.

Yes we own the Kitchenaid dishwasher and it is as quiet as the Bosch and cleans just as well.We chose it because it was the top rated on consumer report as was the Pro Series Range and Double oven, warming drawer and microwave. We love all the appliances. Zero problems with any of them. If we had purchased Wolf or Viking we would have spend approximately 4 times as much.

That's good to know, @Design Intervention.

The Kitchen aid looks just as elegant as the Viking or Wolf in a very upscale kitchen.

Design Intervention, can you be more specific about your Kitchen Aide Pro Series range in terms of fan noise when the oven is on? Is it a gas range? My Electroluxx gas free standing range is incredibly noisy d/t fan that comes on during typical baking or convection mode, from preheat to cool down. (I'm told all ranges have a fan to protect the electronic board.) It's a loud hum, very distracting and unpleasant. Fan has been replaced. My sales guy will take it back but has no advice what to replace with for less noise.

Unfortunately when you have a high BTU stove top it generally requires a pretty strong fan to actually remove the exhaust from high heat cooking. The brand I installed in the photos above is a Windster and it works really well but at the highest setting is pretty loud as well. We looked at 4 brands before deciding and they all had about the same noise level. Sorry that probably doesn't help you too much.

Regarding dishwashers, has anyone ever had the spring break on their dishwasher door? I presently have a two-year old Electrolux, have had all different brands of dishwashers and never had a problem. The service tech said that a metal part that holds the spring broke off from the plastic housing and he had no way to attach it back. PLASTIC HOUSING! Are they all made this way? Am wondering if he actually broke it, so even after calling the manufacturer we have no recourse. The door is just harder to open and close now. We will have to live with it as.

@Design Intervention - I'm having a mega hood installed before even purchasing the range. I've been warned! lol

In my opinion Wolf and Miele make the best ranges. Have you researched an Induction cook top? They are outstanding. Best

@Kranmo, we have a 30 year old dryer that works fine except that several years ago the mechanism that turned the dryer off broke. The repairman said he could replace it, but the replacements were likely to break in a few months. He advised we just leave it broken. The only thing is that you have to be careful not to reach into the dryer unless the dryer is off. My daughter and I have both badly wrenched our arms and shoulders that way.

Another daughter had a practically bred new washer where the drainage lose came loose just before Thanksgiving last year. It turned out that either the replacement part was not made anymore or the replacement parts were crap. My husband jury-rigged a fix for it, but my daughter and son-in-law still had to replace their washer.

No wonder some of us like vintage appliances. They were built to last!

I have looked at induction and am currently using an induction “hot plate.”

For the type of cooking that I like to do, it’s not even worth considering. For instance, I do a lot of southwestern style cooking, and many recipes call for fire-roasted peppers. In addition, I like my onions and ginger for Pho to have direct contact with fire as well. High-heat wok cooking doesn’t work, and if you like flambés or sautéing veggies by “flipping” your pan like I do, then an induction is absolutely useless since it cuts off and begins to cool if the pan isn't in direct contact.

I have a friend who has two hearing aids and while I couldn’t hear it, she complained of a high-pitched squeal when she was in my kitchen while I was using the induction. I don’t know if a full-sized cooktop would be any different.

While the ease of cleaning is definitely a point in its favor, so long as I continue with “international adventures in cooking,” an induction cooktop is unsuitable for my use.

Then you need two! Induction and gas, go for an eight set, twin fours at 30" each!! Now that's cooking. With the modular system you can have a grill, wok, 2 gas and 2 induction... or four. you decide. Here we did twin 30" over a pair of ranges in a polished stainless steel base.

@Kitchen Strand, your suggestion would be nice, but many of us don't have an unlimited budget. I'm going to go with a gas cooktop (probably Thermador or Wolf, possibly Blue Star) which I can switch out to induction if gas ever gets too dangerous for me to use. I'm hoping that I never get to that point.

Ditto here. I have room - both actual and budgetary - for one 30" range. It will be the one that works best for me. If I have that, I will not need an induction. Which I don't want anyway.

Carolkelley, couldn't agree more w/ going the vintage appliance route. I purposely bought a washer and dryer set from the 1970's, and in 6 yrs have had 1 simple repair on the washer & 1 on the dryer. I have now moved into an older home with a 33-year-old water heater! At last, it has died, and the installer said "this new one will last you about 6-8 years." Speechless.

Was told my new dryer should last "at least 7 years"! Ha! Last one, a Kenmore, lasted more than 30!

Does anyone have a gas cooktop, wall oven, or 30 inch range (dual fuel) that is NOT noisy? We are building an open concept home and noise would be an issue for us. Thank you!

I have a Bluestar range and the only noticeable noise it makes is when I choose to bake with the convection fan on. That, however, is dwarfed by the sound of the ventilation hood.

@John, how do you like your Bluestar, cooking wise? I still haven't decided what I'm going to get (and I'm going with a cooktop/rangetop and a separate wall oven), but Bluestar is on my list. I like how you can just remove a grate and drop your wok into the flame.

@carol, my MIL has a Bluestar cooktop and she likes it a lot. The flame is well controlled and the cleaning is easy; cleaning was one of her concerns because it is an open top,

I really like the way my Bluestar range cooks and cleans. It is essentially a commercial restaurant range that has been "gentrified" for home use. It has a simple, old school, internal design -- several of the components used in it come directly from its Garland commercial roots. Top burners are very controllable with straight up, vertical flames in a star pattern. The top grates, bowls and burners are individually removable for cleaning and, being open burner, bigger spills just go down into a slide out drip pan. Easy, peasy!

Don't hate me because I'm lucky. While I had more or less planned out my new BlueStar 30" range that I was going to get from one of the online vendors, I discovered that a local appliances business had one on their showroom floor. I decided to go and take a look at it. I needed to have my hands on moment, and they had a 48" orange Platinum series on display. Naturally, I fell in love. The sales lady asked me what I was looking for and I told her I was looking for a 30 inch. Lucky me!

They had just finished a showroom renovation and had their previous floor model Bluestar in the back room. It was a 30" RNB, Ruby red, side open oven. EXACTLY what I was hoping to be able to purchase! And because it was a floor model – that had never been used, by the way – it had a few scuffs from being fondled. That said, I was able to buy it for less than $2800. I am killing myself to finish as much of my kitchen as I can before it's delivered.

I will be sure to report on its functionality and use, but that is absolutely my dream range.

One more thing. Consumer reports gave the pro style ranges low marks because they lack "modern conveniences." Those include built in timers, self-cleaning ovens, blah blah blah. They failed to take into account that there are a lot of us who do not want those so-called modern conveniences. I personally have found them to be a real pain in the butt.

@vegasrenie, I haven't liked Consumer Reports ratings since the early 70s when they down rated really great bicycles (Campy derailleurs, Reynolds 531 double butted tubing, etc). They didn't know what they were talking about. They also love those ranges with the two ovens like my old, soon to be gone Maytag Gemini. It's a real PITA to lift a turkey off the bottom rack which I have to do several times a year. I don't need those modern conveniences either. I just want appliances that work for years.

I LOVE my Bluestar 36" Platinum. And Carol, I love being able to put my wok directly down into the flame. I agree that the range isn't particularly loud. The convection fan makes some noise but it's not a big issue for me. And like above, I find it easy to clean. Super happy with my choice!

I LOVE my Bluestar 36" Platinum range. Carol, being able to put my wok down into the grate and on the flame is awesome--have everything ready, because it's FAST. :) And as another noted, the ease of cleaning is pretty darn good. I'll admit the convection fan has some noise, but it's not a big deal for us. I'm super happy with my choice. Let us know what you decide!

Ack! Sorry for the double post!! And I realized I'd already shared this photo here back in November, sorry!

I will say that I've been cooking on this range for almost 5 months now. It has been great--I say I moved up from a VW Bug to a Ferrari. I love it.

@carolkelley - Consumer Reports is falling more and more in my estimation. They gave a Samsung fridge top marks, and my SO bought one for his own kitchen. Within 9 months he's had it replaced and is singularly unimpressed with it. His experience reflects the experiences of the people who have left reviews on the CR site, not only because the fridge turned out to be a POS, but because of CR's worship of it. I will be getting a counterdepth fridge soon, and I've been talking to the sales folks on the floor who deal with people every day. No Samsung for me! And while the KitchenAid fridge would be perfect for my decor (the red on the handles would work so well with my new red range!), people still hate it. Thereyago.

After 10 years of 2 viking ranges in 2 homes, I changed to a Wolf gas top & gas oven. I could not be happier! The precision on the stove top is amazing & I love the gas oven (with convection fan). It suits my purposes perfectly. The viking convection oven drove me crazy with the fan noise which was far too loud. The "mother board" burnt out after a couple of years. Viking covered the $1400 for repair but soon after there was another problem with it. Love the Wolf!

@vegasrenie, we've had a Samsung front-loader for some years and it still works great (knock wood). On the other hand, my daughter had a Samsung top-loader and a connection to the drainage hose broke within a year. Apparently, the replacement connections weren't any good either. They ended up getting a new washer, a Kenmore.

My first post was in 2014 asking advice on purchasing a new range. I ended up buying a GE Profile Dual Fuel Range. The gas top is easy to regulate. The convection, electric oven is great. So happy with my choice.

We got the 36" all gas wolf and it's a dream. I went with all gas because it was less money and we got the electric wall oven. Ends up, I love the gas oven so much I use it all the time. I love the ignition of the gas when you turn it on and it cooks extremely evenly. Looking back, I would have gotten the steam wall oven instead of the electric oven, I hear it's great.

We got a 36" RCB and love it! I do wish I could trade out one of the 15K burners for a 22k burner though. If anyone is looking to downgrade one of their burners, let me know.

@Jeff_T - My RNB will be delivered tomorrow. Even though I'm constrained to a 30", I can hardly wait!

I think realistically, I could've gone with a 30"; I've only had to use 4 of the 6 burners so far...and not all at the same time. But it is nice to have the extra space.

@Jeff_T - Ta Da! This was taken a couple or so weeks ago the day after it arrived, and since then, there's been a lot of kitchen cabinet progress. But here's my RNB. In love. Totally.

cabinets are....

I would suggest anyone thinking of ovens not use the sight comparison
as a size judgement. Efficiency of true convention or steam ovens
allows one to more fully fill the chamber. Thought American ovens lOOk
big, they are not. Additionally the BTU's that escape and time it
takes to pre-heat the cavity all contribute to the efficiency and superior
baking, cooking and steaming functions of Miele and other top brand's

I have to make my last final decision: if you have a choice b/w 48 inch Range top or Regular Dual Fuel Range between Wolf and Miele? which one would you get and why? If I get the Range top then I would be able to get my double oven and a steamer. My kitchen would be contemporary and my husband says that Range Top would be look nice and I dont need to bend down to open the oven (since we are on the 52 years range- he says we "old" :) - How often would you use that small oven ( 48 range)? Thank you so much for your input -it has been 2 years in planning-finally last stages that I still get confused.

@vegasrenie, your Bluestar is beautiful!

@hkwan - I hope this answers your question. While I was in the showroom in the process of purchasing my BlueStar, I overheard one of the staff members talking about Miele. She was telling the person on the phone that in her opinion, Miele offered the best customer service of anyone and that they tended to go above and beyond the usual expectations of service. They don't like it when someone isn't satisfied with their products and want to make sure that every customer is a happy one. I don't have anything from either Wolf or Miele, so there's no bias from me, but I thought that was interesting.

hkwan,

Here is a long thread on Wolf and Miele dual fuel ranges that might help:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2812367/new-miele-dual-fuel-gas-range-experience?n=186

There is a La Cornue 150 with matching hood on eBay forsale.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132821119124

WOW $35,000 for one appliance???? If you go to consumer affairs.com and look at their ratings and reviews you might want to think long and hard about spending such an exorbitant amount of money for one appliance! Many of the reviews state that it is beautiful to look at but parts are a nightmare to get as many are no longer manufactured. But if money is absolutely no object, then go for it.

We do very high end homes along the coast of California but I would have serious discussions with my client if they wanted that for their kitchen. I would want them to be very well informed about the high cost of repairs and possible unavailability of parts. But if eat the end of the day that is what they want, so be it.

I'll have to respectively disagree, as you pointed everyone to the one website that may have bad reviews. I could post 100 links where it shows great reviews and as a chef I can honestly say that no other range, cooks like a La Cornue. They start at $59,000 and parts/service is readily available. There are several certified repair company's nation wide.

Do not buy Whirlpool range w Aqua Lift clean. It is not self cleaning and many of us are

NOT HAPPY and not getting satisfactory replacement. I've had mine for four years like

many others am livid and disappointed that Whirlpool, Lowe's and Home Depot continue to sell this product that leaves many of us old ladies with dirty ovens because we are used to "self cleaning" meaning we could push a button!

These are some great tips! And you’ve got it right; it makes a massive difference. Choosing the right best gas range for home chef can be pretty tricky, if you read this guide; it a lot simpler!