My own hybrid Richard Walden is a Good one.
Also the new Geneva White grape "Marquis" is a good one.
The best tasting grapes are the seeded 'muscat types' though.

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What are the seeded muscat names?

ramble:

Jupiter comes highly recommended. It is a seedless out of Arkansas. It is supposed to have a Muscat flavor.

The Fruitnut

Fruitnut,

How about a second one?

Need 2.

Thanx

Jupiter is seedless. The seeded muscats which are excellent include Muscat of Alexandria and Muscat Hamburg. They are very hard to grow since they are vinafera not hybrids.

Scott

Canadice is a pretty nice hardy seedless grape. I also like Glenora but it wasn't very hardy for me in Amarillo.

Jupiter has a nice flavor, and mine held up well this year without any spray, even with lots of rain (62+ inches). Reliance is another seedless with really good flavor.

I didn't like Jupiter up here. The best muscat flavors so far, are to be found in seeded grapes. Jupiter may be good in a warmer climate but here it was not very rich in flavor.

Kiwinut,

Any difference in Red Reliance and Pink Reliance? Which tastier? Also, Reliance better than Canadice?

Jupiter and Glenora are my favorites. Jupiter is such a superior grape for me that I think it merits a trial by anyone in a decent grape climate.

Sold on Jupiter. All you experts agree on that. Much appreciated. Glenora sounds too Concordy.

So, I'm trying to decide between Canadice, Red Reliance, and Pink Reliance for my 2nd vine.

I've never heard of "Red" and "Pink" Reliance. There is only one grape named 'Reliance', that was released by the U. of Ark. Sounds like some nursery is renaming varieties. Where did you see these?

I have not tried Canadice for comparison.

Gurney's and Field's sell Pink Reliance. Stark's sells Reliance which it describes as "deep red". Shows a picture as such.

Reliance is a reddish-pink grape, so the description may depend on one's perception. The color can also vary depending on the climate. Don't worry about the color in the name, they are all the same grape. If you want to read the patents on Jupiter and Reliance, go to the link below and type in "Reliance" in one box, and "seedless" in the other, and you will get a list that includes both grapes. The patents give a lot of descriptive information. BTW, the patent on Reliance has expired.

Here is a link that might be useful: patent search

I think the Alden is a much better tasting grape than Jupiter. It has very large clusters and some muscat flavor, but with seeds. This is from my own grape garden

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Glenora isn't concordy at all other than perhaps the color.

I have several varieties but have only gotten fruit the last couple of years since they are fairly young. If I had to rank them on their fruit the order would vary dramatically from one year to the next.

Environment plays a huge role.

Last year I loved Sweet Seduction. It was the best of my 6 or 7 seedless varieties. This year they split and didn't fill well.

This year Einset was the big winner but production was super sparse. Its not as vigorous as the other vines and I'm hoping its just a little behind. The grapes were like candy with an unusual and delicious flavor. I think I have the vine next to my canadice and a little intermingled. Whenever I picked an incredible "canadice" this year I'd trace back the vine and discover it originated from the Einset.

Last year Venus was so unremarkable I nearly removed it. This year it had enormous beautiful clusters of grapes that ripened uniformly. It produced the highest quality fruit, in useful quantities, by a big margin. Unfortunately flavor-wise it was like a seedless watered down concord with slightly softer skin. Still my friend I gave them to raved about them.

Location, location, location - probably. Then personal preference.

Good old "Flame" does very well for me here. Canadice is almost too sweet to eat alot of.

rc has it right, we're talking many different climates here so mileage will vary. I thought Glenora was great in Amarillo but production was very low because it kept freezing back. Tried it here and thought it was just OK. Glenora does not taste anything like Concord. I've generally found that only about half of whatever I try works out. So try as many as you can and make up your own mind. That's the only way to find the best for your location and taste preference.

White himrod is my best of several varieties, also makes the best raisins. But, getting them disease free and picture perfect is another story, but worth the effort.

As a way of comparison, I have red canadice, red vanessa and red reliance. These also make good raisins. These are also good table grapes. I also have seedless concord and the raisins made from these can not compare to the red grapes for raisins.

I have the seeded concord as well and other than that's what we had growing up, I would not recommend concord. But, it is good to be able to stop by the arbor and "spit a few skins"

Last year I added neptune, jupiter, and a villard blanc.