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Root veg without the root!

16 years ago

doing SFG, no chemicals, beds are dirt, manure, cocopeat and vermiculite (no compost where i live, you all don't know how lucky you are; i'm working on my own but this is my 1st season). i have a north facing yard so not as much sun as i would like. i had lettuce and some greens this summer and some tomatoes that took off late. fall garden planted in early september, everything has sprouted, lettuce fin and some of the kale/bok choy looking ok, but not all. carrots/radishes/parsnips/beets all have lovely greenery, they've been growing now for about 40-45 days, but not a single root has formed. in addition, what i guess is the crown (where the cluster of leaves branch out) is above ground on the beets and many of the radishes, although not all. i don't know why and if this is contributing to the problem of the roots not forming, but as i said it is not uniform (which also makes me think it is not due to settling). i've thinned although perhaps not enough but nevertheless, not even baby ones of anything are forming, the ones i've pulled just have regular looking roots.

is it a sun problem? most of the beds get at least 3 hrs avg and they are not in deep shade after that.

is it lack of amendments? i have fed the beds with some liquid organic fertilizer, fairly balanced, about every two weeks or so because i don't have that much compost.

i am also thinking of planting a control patch in the regular dirt to see if it's the planting mix, although it's a bit late to do so for anything but the radishes.

any ideas welcome. thanks and i love this forum, it has provided me with a ton of information; wish i had some to give back!

Comments (9)

  • 16 years ago

    One problem is that beets and carrots take 60 days or more to form, Parsnips even longer. Radishes, depending on variety 25- 70 days.

  • 16 years ago

    Veggies of concern are generally spring-planted or late-fall and overwintered/ altho radishes not so much and should produce. Sun may very well be a contributing factor, maybe too much N as well. But planting time and sun surely. If you are relatively frost-free in your neighborhood they may overwinter and continue when day-length increases. Mulch/row cover and see what happens in one plot.

    Dan

  • 16 years ago

    Parsnips take 8 or 9 months to produce a decent root in my climate. They are sown early spring and dug in the winter. I'd just leave them alone and see what happens. Although Istanbul gets snow the temps apparently don't go particularly low so winter root crops sound feasible. What roots are the locals growing and harvesting at the moment?

  • 16 years ago

    Generally a lack of root vegetable formation is attributed to close spacing or excess nitrogen. There are also occasions when bolting is advanced.

    Perhaps you used fresh manure or seeded too soon after manuring. Most vegetables need 4-6 hours of sun but should not impact all your root veggies; although they do better in a full sun for 8-10 hours.

    A soil test might be in order to determine if there are specific imbalances affecting P and K uptake.

  • 16 years ago

    It took my root veggies longer than 40-45 days to start forming big roots, but once they did, they grew pretty rapidly. Check again every 2 weeks. I'd guess you'll see results in about 30 days from now.

    Meanwhile, thin the plants to 6-8" apart. They'll grow sweeter with good spacing, and this will compensate for other deficiencies.

    I would guess your biggest problem is sun. Three hours isn't very much. You may have the most luck with leafy greens in that spot, and you can expect everything to grow slower than it would in full sun.

  • 16 years ago

    Some root veggies naturally grow considerably out of the ground. Rutabagas grow almost entirely above the ground. Beets somewhat less. Radishes and turnips too. Here's a pic of some beets in my garden that are at least half way out:

  • 16 years ago

    I had the same problem with my root vegetables. I wondered about nitrogen too, even though I don't have particularly good garden soil to begin with...and with my beets, the tops were not productive either; stunted, actually. My Swiss chard, unlike some of my other green veg, were also very slow to develop, although they caught up in September; I'm wondering if plants in the beet family need a particular nutrient that my soil lacks, that other vegetables don't need as much of. My other root veggies had fairly vigorous tops; just no roots to speak of.

  • 16 years ago

    My Swiss Chard were three feet tall when I cut them last week. I did spray them with Miracle Grow once or twice, early on.

    I wonder if they will come back from the roots like a rhubarb next year.

  • 16 years ago

    My carrots took forever, although I did stunt them a bit by not transplanting them, soon enough or for that matter not directly sowing them but in the last few weeks they really took off but I only had a few just to see how they'd do and how long they take, so I just ate them raw as a snack.

    my winter leeks, cabbages and broccoli are doing very well now and have not been in the ground very long at all.