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15 years ago

I know I shouldn't have bought these roses, but they were only $3 and so I said what the heck. What I thought I was buying was Baronne Prevost and Reine Des Violettes. So far RDV seems ok but has not put any buds on yet, but BP put on this very large bud and as it began to open it looked yellow, not what I was expecting. I don't know what rose this is, it is quite beautiful, but then I noticed that the left side of the plant has different leaves. The cane with the flower had very large round dark green shiny leaves, and the cane on the other side had a lighter green leaf, not shiny and more pointed. I thought that BP was supposed to be a pink color and very fragrant, this rose is a pink blend and does not have much fragrance. I wonder if I have two different roses on one root stock. It didn't look like it was grafted so I thought it was on it's own roots. Any ideas?

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Comments (10)

  • 15 years ago

    The green stem on the left is probably emerging below the graft point, right? If so, it is a stem of the rootstock rose, probably Dr. Huey. It should be torn off (not cut, you want to get all the side buds by tearing it off). If you leave the rootstock foliage to grow, you will have a once blooming plant of a disease prone red rose called Dr. Huey. That rose will eventually take over the whole plant and sap all the plant's energy away from anything growing above the graft.

    The rose on the right is what was grafted to the root stock, but it appears to have been a mislabeled rose -- not Baronne Prevost. It looks like it might be Peace, which is a very common "bodybag" variety.

    The thing about the $3 bodybags is that mislabels are very common, and you seem to have received one.

  • 15 years ago

    That sure doesn't look like much of a rose plant, even for "only $3" in a body bag. Is the photo accurate that, other than the root stock sucker, it's a "one cane wonder"?

    Keep track of who produced them from the body bags, if you still have them or if there are any more at the store where you bought them. It's interesting knowing who is putting out garbage under the wrong names.

  • 15 years ago

    Chicago Peace?

  • 15 years ago

    Clair, that's a beautiful rose but not BP. I like experimenting sometimes, too. IMHO, this rose will be a learning experience well worth $3. You'll have to keep us posted about its progress/performance or lack thereof. I experimented (though not intentionally) with an 'Iceberg' on fort ($16). It was beautiful through the spring flush, then defoliated due to BS, then left the premises. Live and learn.

    Here's my Baronne Prevost a few days ago.

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    Unfortunately, I detected very little scent. I thought she was supposed to be smelly, too. Maybe she'll improve with age.

    Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

  • 15 years ago

    My BP is very 'smelly'. In fact, DH made me buy 3 of them after he smelled it at Biltmore's rose garden.

    I still have some body bags from my early days. QE2 climber (everyone hates it, and sometimes I do too, but I LOVE the bloom, when it does bloom) Golden Showers, which does very well and Iceberg climber. I think I just killed the Iceberg climber, so I may have to replace.

    If you know what you are in for going in, body bags can be ok. It's hit and miss. I have a RDV from Chamblees and I am sure it's not really RDV.

  • 15 years ago

    I thank all of you for your replies, I went and looked at the base of the rose and it doesn't seem to have any growths coming from under the graft, and I had Dr. Huey a few years ago and if I recall correctly, the leaves did not resemble the ones on this plant, but I could be wrong.
    Actually, the leaves look very similar to the last photo that Sherry posted. Well I am posting the photo of what was on the body bag that I bought at Big Lots.
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    Roseseek, Maybe because I took the picture from overhead it looks smaller than it really is, the cane with the flower is about 2 feet long and the cane on the other side is almost 3 feet.

  • 15 years ago

    Maybe if you take a picture of where the non-blooming stem on the left joins the plant, we can tell you for sure if that is a root stock growth. I still think it probably is.

  • 15 years ago

    If you're right, Claire, your roses cost you a buck fifty each. Such a deal. If they are two roses you should be able to separate them into two plants. Why don't you try?

    Sherry

    Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

  • 15 years ago

    What's a body bag?

  • 15 years ago

    Body bag is a crude way to refer to roses sold in big box stores as bareroots in those small bags that are about 3 inches in diameter and a foot long.

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