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Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree

12 years ago

Just wondering. I just planted 2 double delights, one perfume delight and a don juan in my front garden. This is my first southwest Florida rose experience. I had about 30 roses in my coastal NJ garden before relocating. I have another garden bed with an eastern exposure, morning sun in Naples, FL. There's an alexander palm, quite sturdy, that might be a fabulous anchor for a rose. Has anyone done this?

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  • 12 years ago

    The main problem I suspect you'll encounter is the root system of the palm. Most have extensive, very fibrous roots which suck everything available from the soil. I don't know if you'll be able to get the rose planted close enough to the palm to use it for support. Even if you do, I don't know if the rose is going to be happy competing with those gawd-awful roots. Kim

  • 12 years ago

    Palms have some of the highest transpiration rates recorded in the plant kingdom. So, as Kim says, it could be a real fight for water. ~ Debbie

  • 12 years ago

    I saw some fantastic orchids growing on the side of a palm in front of Norman's Orchids in CA. They got hit with the automatic sprinkler 3 times a week. Maybe if your rose was in a big pot then you could tie it to the palm tree.

  • 12 years ago

    I tried this next to a cabbage (sable) palm. I planted it outside the root zone of the palm in heavily amended soil. The rose just didn't thrive. I don't know if the palm was hogging all the water or what the problem was. Perhaps if you planted a house eater a good distance from the palm and trained it over to the palm and up it might work. IIRC, Ithe reason I tried this was because I saw a picture of a rosé growing up a palm, but now I don't remember where I saw it.

  • 12 years ago

    No, but if you succeed, I want pictures!

  • 12 years ago

    Don't fancy that - sounds all wrong, stylistically, aesthetically, horticulturally..........

  • 12 years ago

    Agree....tropical? With a rose?

  • 12 years ago

    But how fantastic would big baskets of roses cascading down from just under the palm fronds look. You would need an irrigation pipe going up to them around here. A weeping white rose would be wonderful for that. I saw a big trunked ivy standard at a rare plant show once. The guy said to let the ivy grow all over the palm and get big, then dig it up and pot it as a standard. The ivy did fine on the palm but there wasn't enough fine roots when I dug it up and I lost it. I want to try again one of these days but I don't have a palm anymore.

  • 12 years ago

    Obviously, you folks have never been to Florida. If you didn't have roses with palm trees here, you wouldn't have roses. Someone commented on another thread about palms not looking right with magnolias either. Well, guess what--they both are natives growing in the woods here, and to a Floridian, they look wonderful and natural together. Palm trees pop all over my property, and it's a constant battle to keep them from taking over. If I could sell them, I'd be rich. I would be hardpressed to take pictures of roses on my property and not have a palm tree in it--except for close ups of course.

  • 12 years ago

    I tried growing roses at the base of a large mexican fan palm in So. California. Never worked they were always stunted didn't bloom well and needed mo water mo water. Sorry

  • 12 years ago

    Lived in the Coral Gables, never had a rose do well within 10 feet of any indigenous palm.

  • 12 years ago

    Well, I planted my new roses near a palm, so I may be in trouble. OTOH, my hose is really close and I have one of those new dopey light hoses that are really easy to lug around (along with an irrigation system). I'm willing to be a rose slave for a while to see what happens. I can always transplant if need be. It IS kinda funny to read people's interpretations of appropriate landscaping. Honestly if I had my druthers I'd love to have proper English landscaping, but that won't work because we don't really have perennials, just shrubs, trees, and some bulbs. I am miffed at the lack of variety here. I have some fabulous plumeria courtesy of a wonderful plumeria expert friend, but my heart is really with roses and I hate the conventional wisdom that roses don't do well here. I've been having luck with orchids the past five years to help me cope with my rose envy. I can see I might be in for a roller coaster ride until I figure this out.

  • 12 years ago

    How about a soaker hose?

  • 12 years ago

    I think it might depend on the type of palm

  • 12 years ago

    You never know until you try, so good for you. Let us know what happens; I'd love to see pictures. I want one of those new hoses, too! I read about them on Garden Rant.

  • 12 years ago

    Ah well, Florida, this is the heart of the matter - where you are situated and what plants are natural in your landscape. Here in the UK, a palm with a rose would be, quite honestly, something of an abomination. I tend not to follow many design 'rules' but following the vernacular architecture and keeping to the normal planting zones is a creed I rarely deviate far from.
    Personally, I generally find attempts at formal grandeur or (worse) a cottage garden in a modern urban plot to be both pretentious and even faintly ridiculous (although I vastly prefer ridiculous to pretentious).
    Although gardens are total artifice, I like to at least nod towards a natural combination - woodlanders growing with other woodlanders and not scorching alongside bedding geraniums or south african daisies.

  • 12 years ago

    Campanula, you articulated my frustration with the local design meme. Naples is a beautiful place, but my favorite garden landscapes are found in the older 50s and very small post victorian neighborhoods here. You will see some fantastic specimen plants (particularly plumeria) in these places. The more prosperous and popular areas tend to be more uniform because they are professionally landscaped for part-time residents. I am even guilty of this because the climate is so hot, and landscapers are not too expensive. So, in planting roses, I'm rebelling a bit. There is a fantastic gardening history around the Thomas Edison and Henry Ford estates a bit north in Fort Myers. They planted with local materials, but with structure. I may need to visit again for some inspiration.

  • 10 months ago

    Joycev, how is your rose?

  • 10 months ago

    @Z10Socal


    after reading this I realized This thread is 12 years old. I would be great to hear from this user but it doesnt sound familiar to me

  • 10 months ago
    last modified: 10 months ago

    Dianela, I hope she succeeded. I have a mystery climbing rose and an ugly palm tree. I'm going to try growing the rose there too.

  • 10 months ago

    I've considered growing a rose on a big sagebrush, but my granddaughter removed the sagebrush I had in mind. I told her not to do that again. Sagebrush are natives and help with erosion on the slope in back. but they are resinous and a slight fire hazard. Diane

  • 10 months ago

    Diane do you have another sagebrush you can grow it on?

  • 10 months ago

    It’s rare to see any palm trees around here, but I would think if the rose was planted far enough and it was one of those super flexible ramblers it could be done. It would be cool to see a palm tree wrapped on a pretty rose.

  • 9 months ago

    Dianela let's hope my mystery rose is pretty. I think it's a rambler or at least a climber


  • 9 months ago

    My neighbors palms have invaded what used to be a vegetable garden in my yard. Palm roots are so dense that there’s barely any soil . Scratch under the surface and you’ll find a giant monlith of dense fibrous palm roots. So no, I cannot imagine any climber , rose or other worthwhile plant at the base of a plam tree. I put large pots on top of the area now to grow veggies.

  • 9 months ago
    last modified: 9 months ago

    Ben, I planted it yesterday. I figured I had nothing to lose since I'm not attached to the mystery rose.

    I planted two jasmines on this ugly mesquite tree 4 years ago.


    Maybe I can dig some soil out on one side of the palm and pour a ton of vinegar 😜

  • 9 months ago

    I hope your mystery rose blooms soon, no sense in giving an unwanted freebie a free ride! Then again, it’s at the base of a palm tree, not exactly good real estate.

  • 9 months ago

    those look fantastic, cant wait to see what tour rose does Socal

  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    I live in Naples, FL, too, and have for the last 12 years, just like the OP. I used to live in VA where everything grew. But here in the tropics, with a very wet and very dry season, and no winter, it's difficult to grow anything that's not native or adapted to this sort of environment in their own countries. Some roses do grow, but they're prone to black spot and other fungal diseases because of the humidity. Most of my neighbors have pulled them out, and I don't see them even in the wonderful Naples Botanical Garden.

    If I did try one, it would be the rambler Peggy Martin, which survived Hurricane Katrina--though it's only rated for zones 4-9, and Naples is zone 10a.

    I've tried all sorts of flowering plants in my garden, which have survived several small hurricanes and two big ones--Irma and Ian. The flower that did best was crossandra. Vinca does well generally, but can't survive hurricanes. Plumeria lived, but loses its leaves in winter, so not attractive then. Better to growing shrubs with colorful leaves, like crotons or bromeliads, or bulbs like caladiums (which will go dormant in the winter). A lot of the survivors lose some of their leaves right before hurricane season. but come back to life quickly in the spring.