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Please help me come to terms.....

13 years ago

I have had a hobby 8' x 12' greenhouse for 4 years....which I love! I had electricity and a water faucet installed. On the back wall I put up a shelving unit with a shop light over each shelf and then some soil heating cables (steady at 70*) for each shelf.

Every year I overwinter stuff. Getting things to "survive" the winter with supplemental heat is not too hard, even in Montana. I even sucessfully dug up a pepper plant from the garden last fall, brought it in and harvested 3 whole peppers from it over the winter. But then spring comes and I catch the bug....and thats when I decide I want to "grow" things. (surviving and growing are two different things I'm finding.)

Each year I end up cooking, baking, steaming and drownding every sprout I have because I just can't seem to get it thru my thick skull that plants don't feel heat and moisture the same way we do. If the themometer reads 65*, I shiver, go brrrrr and jack up the heat. If the overnight low is going to be in the teens I will make sure the heat is on high, all the heating cables are on plus the shop lights just to be sure everyone is cozy. And water...if the top of the soil looks dry, it must be dry, right? Better add some more water.

So, this is the last spring I want to learn this lesson, and I'm asking you guys to put some of this into perspective for me. At what point does a baby plant go "brrrrr" and how dry is it supposed to be before the plantlet wilts from thirst? Should I keep the little fan on all the time to circulate air? If the temp feels comfortable to me, but then the fan blows past it makes the air feel cooler on my skin...do plants feel this same affect? or do they just appreciate a little fresh air? Also, the portable heater I use does a fine job of regulating the greenhouse heat as per thermometer reading. But just hold your hand over by the door or next the the ground....it feels considerably colder than the "room" does. If I was a plant I wouldn't want to be on the shelf by the door, I would much rather hover over the heater. But I'm not a plant. Any idea how they act, react, wish, want, need, think....(think?) How can I alter this mentality of mine that they have the same needs for growing conditions as I do.

Light? Alaska summers have 24 hours of daylight, and their plants grow HUGE...mine don't seem to be alaskan plants.

Water? In the jungle it rains all the time and its always hot...my plants don't seem to like the jungle.

Comments (6)

  • 13 years ago

    I water when either the plant starts to wilt or the container feels light. Dry soil is noticeably lighter in weight.

    Regarding air movement, plants don't sweat so it does not cool them, but it does help in other ways. It exchanges the air around the leaves letting them get fresh carbon dioxide. It also makes them have a strong stem and prevents leggy plants.

    As for what plants like in regard to temperature, it depend on the plant. Cole crops and lettuce hate heat, tomatoes require at least day time sun and warmth but some varieties will tolerate cold nights. I have found peppers to be the least tolerant of cold nights; they don't grow well for me until the nighttime lows warm up into the 50s and 60s.

  • 13 years ago

    Hello
    I would hang plastic about two feet wide or so around a table or shelf with holes in it and put the heater/cables under that...test abit an you will be able to hold the temp better then. Get a min-max thermometer or three. Cheaper ones will do instead of the pro. You could also put plastic covers over the seed/propagation table or shelf, remember to vent.

    I used to do this with many tables set that way in the greenhouse complex where I worked as the R&D guy / Head Grower. Always have fans running or the heat will stratify and that means levels of heat, so where your seedlings are could be a very bad spot. Best is to mix the air. Yes don't blow it right on the plants.

    Here is a link that might be useful: baggz/likes

    This post was edited by baggz on Fri, Apr 12, 13 at 4:54

  • 13 years ago

    Dear ruswithscissors...

    You are well on the road to self-discovery by realizing you are not a plant :-) Your post sounds like fodder for a stand up comic. If the gh door isn't sealing, figure out why and then make a trip to the hardware store (if necessary).

    A good place to start understanding plant needs is a good seed catalog, and then let the plant teach you what it needs. Don't argue with it. Mr. Google can also teach you a lot too. Use his search engine for such things as "growing peppers under lights; over-watering / under-watering plants etc." You can do the same with the search engine on this site.

    Finally, do not run with scissors... LOL

  • 13 years ago

    Your post made me laugh and that's a plus. Plants do not go Brrr. Some plants even like it cooler.

    Repeat after me a babied plant does not do as well as a plant that has to face some adversity. A babied plant does not know how to cope with the elements when planted outside. Wind makes a plant's stem stronger. Rain comes and then may not come for a while. The plants roots go deeper in search of water. If it is constantly wet besides risking damp off, the roots stay close to the surface and the plant withers in dry weather. My plants only get water when the soil is very dry. Either I stick my finger in the soil or go by the weight of the container.

    I have a greenhouse--not as fancy as your but it suffices. It gets supplemental heat at night but I have the thermostat set every night so the temperature never goes above 8C--46F and my plants grow very well. A slight chill doesn't hurt them at all

    Relax and ignore your plants a bit. They'll thank you for it

  • 13 years ago

    Have been so busy preparing for spring that I've neglected the computer for awhile. Thanks for all your support.

    One of my biggest problems, I've found out was my potting soil. Stayed soggy in the bottom, but dried out too fast at the top. Plus I was waaaayyyy over-adjusting my water's PH. Now I don't do that. Also, it finally sunk in that everybody needs a little air once in awhile.

    I started keeping a log/calender of overnight lows - greenhouse low, and the setting I used on the heater. Guess what? I was really over-doing it! (smile) So, now I'm happy as long as the greenhouse stays above 40*F at night. Every night now I check the weather channel, set the heater accordingly, and wouldn't you know! my plants are doing better! (Even my peppers are taking the cooler temps like champs.)

    Anyway, thanks again for driving home that plant skin doesn't feel cold like ours does.

    To satisfy my neurotic NEED to always see moist soil...I got one of those pump misters. When I walk by, I go "missst, missst" with the little sprayer, the plants go "oh, okay, thanks, I guess" but they don't croak. I'm on the road to recovery.

  • 13 years ago

    To satisfy my neurotic NEED to always see moist soil...I got one of those pump misters.

    I've been through the same thing. I have killed enough plants doing it, though, that I have broken myself from top-misting anything other than germinating seeds. Bottom watering is the way to go. Drop the container in water; you're done when the root ball no longer floats. The bubbles you see are from water touching parts of the root ball that it likely never would if you top-watered and especially top-misted. I find that bottom watering also lasts twice as long. I have read that top-watering encourages damping-off, which is my biggest killer of seedlings and young plants in cold wet weather.