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Ariens 7524E with Briggs & Stratton engine stalling

18 years ago

I have an Ariens 7524E with a Briggs & Stratton engine that I used as recently as several days ago (Thursday) for about ½ hour to clear my driveway, without problems. This morning when I tried to use it on last nightÂs snowfall, I found that it stalls after moving snow for about 5-10 minutes. It starts easily and runs fine up until the engine begins running erratically, and in about 10 seconds or so after that it stalls. Once it stalls, the only way to restart it is by priming it once, but then after it starts it only runs a few seconds before stalling again. Changing choke position doesnÂt seem to make any difference in keeping it running.

I should note that after I place it in my garage (thermometer in there says 48 degrees) for about 40 minutes, it will start fine again and will move snow for another 5-10 minutes before stalling again. As an experiment to see if the problem had anything to do with engine temperature, this afternoon I started it on a cold engine (it had sit in my garage for close to three hours since last use) and left it run at idle for 25 minutes until it got adequately hot, and all was well until I began moving snow with it  again, in about 5-10 minutes, the engine began stumbling and stalled.

This machine is less than a year old and probably has less than 4 hours of run time on the engine. I bought fresh gasoline from a busy gas station just before using it several days ago, and this same fuel was used when I cleared my driveway then. So IÂm inclined to believe itÂs not old or water-laden gasoline, otherwise I might have expected to see the same behavior a few days ago. The fact that itÂll run at idle for 25 minutes without stalling also suggests to me that the problem is probably not related to the gasoline itself (if there were water or dirt in the fuel, would it not have stalled again?). I considered draining the fuel and buying fresh fuel someplace else to see if that makes any difference, but in my mind IÂve ruled out fuel as the problem because the same batch of gas was used successfully several days ago  am I using faulty logic here? Maybe itÂs just a lucky coincidence that it idled fine for 25 minutes this timeÂ..

IÂm having the local Ariens dealer come to pick up the machine the day after tomorrow (with repeated snow events every few days, I need to get to a working solution quickly), but would like to try to determine if thereÂs anything else I might try on my own before having to spend $$ for the dealer to look at it. Does anyone have any suggestions or insights based on previous experience that may help diagnose this problem?

Comments (6)

  • 18 years ago

    is not it still under warranty?

    is it bogging down w/ ice?
    will the enine run w/ out the impeller spinning?

    there are other sites ope on the net and abbys that have some real mavens. might try to post/research there

  • 18 years ago

    Sounds like there may be some water in the gas tank. The water will form in a bubble in the bottom of the tank, and roll around into the fuel outlet. Put in a bit of dry-gas. Not a lot, just an ounce or two. And, peek in there with a flashlight-ya might be able to see if there is anything else in there.

  • 18 years ago

    The fuel caps breather probably filled with frozen water creating a vacuum in the tank. loosening the top will solve that problem

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks to all for your responses. Allow me to address each in this post.
    solara: It's still under warranty, which is why I've scheduled the dealer to pick it up tomorrow if I can't troubleshoot it before then. I don't see evidence of it bogging down with ice; when I look into the intake chute after it's stopped, it's clear, so I believe it's discharging everything the auger pulls in. Once it has stalled, the engine won't run even without the impeller engaged (as noted in my post, I've had it idling for 25 minutes without impeller engaged without a problem).

    rustyj14: I peeked into the tank with a flashlight, but don't see anything obvious in there (other than liquid). I'll try some dry-gas to see if that helps.

    akachrisinmass: I always secure the fuel cap tightly, so I'll try to close it a little less snugly this time (but not so loose that fuel spills out)

    One new observation I had last night when taking another look for anything else out of order.... I always turn the fuel valve off before rolling the machine back into my garage, and of course I have to open it before starting the machine. When I opened it last night, I heard a kind of suction sound and then the gurgling of liquid for a few seconds, something which I've never heard before when opening that valve. (This occurred BEFORE I opened the tank cap to peer into it.) I might speculate that this is consistent with *something* frozen (either water in the tank or water in the cap breather), which would explain why it resumes operating after sitting in a warm garage for awhile. Hmmm... maybe it works fine when idling outdoors for a half-hour because there's no snow drifting back over the engine, but when I start moving snow, anything that drifts back over the engine may be finding it's way into the breather and freezing there, as has been suggested.

    I'll follow the suggestions here and report back my findings. Thanks again to each of you for your responses!

  • 18 years ago

    Hmm... I guess my hypothesis isn't right. I just looked at my gas cap (to see if any foreign matter appeared in the breather hole) expecting to see a small hole in the top of the cap, but there is none - it appears to be a solid, unvented cap. This is on a Briggs and Stratton Powerbuilt Snow Model 12000 engine. If there's no vent hole in the cap, what prevents a vacuum from building in the tank that prevents fuel flow... is there some sort of relief valve someplace I don't see? The owners manual says to "tighten the cap" after refueling, so it sounds like they're not relying upon an incomplete cap seal to permit fuel to flow. (Nevertheless, if this approach resolves my problem without creating a fire hazard from spilled fuel, I'll use it.)

  • 18 years ago

    Just because you don't see a hole, don't assume the cap isn't vented.
    When the problem occurs, loose the cap for a few seconds and then see if it runs for a few more minutes. IF the cap seems to be the problem, replace it.

    I guess a possibility is that the cap may have some moisture trapped in it that freezes when in use, clogging the vent? Maybe flush it a bit with rubbing alcohol??

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