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replacing trees from ice storm

17 years ago

So the maple tree that was in front of my house and provided shade was ruined by the ice storm we got in early Feb. My property is fairly new and I lost a lot of smaller trees around the yard as well, but got a plan for replacing those. I need something to put in the maple's place. I know fast growing trees are usually not very strong but I would like something not terribly slow growing. I'm thinking some type of Ash, but this is all fairly new to me. I DON'T want an oak even though I know it may the best choice because I don't want to have to deal with acorns dropping in the future. I also have a privacy fenced back yard I'm looking to put two tress in, likely a sourwood because it seems to be the size I'm looking for but not sure if I should do two of those or pick another similiar size tree? Any suggestions are appreciated.

Comments (16)

  • 17 years ago

    I don't have personal experience with one, but Tulip tree (liriodendron) is supposed to be fast growing.

    how about another maple?

    some Ash's are prone to disease problems, not sure which ones, so check it out carefully.

  • 17 years ago

    Google "emerald ash borer" and do a little reading before you put one in.

    Oxydendron is lovely, and, by all means, plant one, but keep in mind that it is quite slow growing and not really an ideal shade tree so you should be looking at other options as well if you have the room.

    Liriodendron is a good suggestion. Maybe a red maple (NOT a norway maple or silver maple)? If you don't want acorns, then I can't imagine that you want sweet gum seed pods either, although liquidambar has a pretty speedy growth rate and, I think, makes a nice shade tree. Are you familiar with yellowwood (cladastras lutea) or black gum (nyssa sylvatica)? Both are very nice and, I think, underutilized trees.

  • 17 years ago

    I'm not familiar with yellowwood, black gum I know about. Red maple is the one I had that got ripped up by the ice. Don't know liriodendron either. I read about the emeral ash borer, thanks for pointing me to that.

  • 17 years ago

    Anything I should know about these. Marymd7, thanks for the google info. I found that the EAB was confirmed about 35 miles from where I live here in Missouri.

  • 17 years ago

    like the maple seed onslaught is any better than the acorn onslaught..

    or the dead tulips that will fall out of the trees ...

    you really ought to think out your bias over oaks.. IMHO ...

    at 35 miles.. dont waste your money on a tree.. ash.. that CLAIMS to be resistant ...

    and research gum balls on gum trees ...

    ken

  • 17 years ago

    Birch trees don't provide a lot of shade, but they are fast growing. Many birch have problems and are short-lived, but the river birch is not one of them. It would prefer moist soil.

    'October Glory' is a beautiful red maple.

    Is there such a thing as a sterile maple or oak? One would think with all the hybridization going on for the "perfect" plant, that they could clean up these messy trees.

  • 17 years ago

    I second the tupelo amd Cladastris kentuckea (lutea). Being an urban forester, I can't recommend sweet gum if you don't want acorns or breaking branches, as these are the bane of those of us wanting decent street trees. Liriodendron is a nice tree, altho there is another forum recently going with a discussion about its fall color (or lack thereof). You may want to think about a lime (Linden spp.) as well.

    Dan

  • 17 years ago

    Ive got two river birch trees. I like them but looking for more shade and something different. As for my bias against oaks..When I was a kid my parents had several, along with pecan trees, that were close enough to the pool to drive me crazy, since I was the oldest and most responsible for cleaning that pool. Ever step on an acorn in your bare feet? LOL Not to mention mowing the yard and worrying about slinging one through a window.

  • 17 years ago

    Ever step on an acorn in your bare feet?

    Brief digression - when I had my house in Sacramento, there was a liquidambar down the street and I'd scoop up all the seed pods and put them in my front beds to keep the cats out.

    Dan

  • 17 years ago

    "and research gum balls on gum trees ... "

    Hey ken. Black gums don't have gumballs...they have little blue drupes (berries). Sweet Gums have the pricky gumballs.

  • 17 years ago

    smauk43,
    I got the same ice storm you got. Those types of ice storms are extremely rare, and in those types of ice storms, it doesn't matter the tree. EVERYTHING took major damage. Pick your oak, it went down. Pick your maple, it went down. Pick anything you like, if it grows here, it went down in very large numbers. While some species were absolutely destroyed (birches and willows), I know many many "resistant to ice storms" tree reduced to trunks or worse, and almost all took some amount of significant to major damage. While others that some people on here swear as basically waiting to fall over, like Autumn Blaze, suffered relatively little damage. I see it with my own eyes, and yes I'm sure that is exactly what they are. Point being, is not to let this ice storm make you believe that every ice storm will be that way. So if you like something that normally survives just fine, but did not in that storm, don't let it stop you. Odds are you are not going to get the same thing for some time.

    Still you need something that will grow vigorously. The tulip tree is a good start. But allot depends on how big a tree you want, and any other characteristic.

    Larger Size Trees:
    Sycamore
    Tulip Tree
    Plane Tree
    Seedless Honey Locust maybe (not sure of the growth rate)
    Red Maple cultivars
    Catalpa
    Purple Robie Locust (spelling?)
    Bald Cypress
    Dawn's Redwood
    Various other conifers
    Various elms
    Zelkova's

    Med Size Trees:
    Shantung Maple (very tough tree, fast growing, and hard wood)
    Chinese Pistache
    Norwegian Sunset Maple
    Pacific Sunset Maple
    Oklahoma Redbud
    Smoke Tree
    Crepe Myrtle (Tree Form)
    Amur Maple
    Trident Maple (not sure of growth rate)
    Many other medium size rarer maples

    These are a few that comes to mind.

    Also if I recall correctly, Yellowwood tends to have brittle wood, and prone to breakage. Also if I remember correctly, is not fast growing, or so thats literature says.

    Hope something here helps.

    Arktrees

  • 17 years ago

    Yes that storm was probably once in a lifetime, at least I hope. There is STILL a crew here from Florida cleaning up the parks and a few more residential areas. They just finished up my maple tree today. I may just go back with the Red Maple as it was a beautiful tree. I'll check out the Shantung also. Thanks everyone for all the info.

  • 17 years ago

    On the Shantung Maple be aware there is a cultivar named "Fire Dragon" that we have that gave us great glossy lipstick red color last fall. The downside it there is basically one supply at this point (though Greenleaf has supposedly just picked it up), that being Metro Maples in Ft. Worth (lots of Shantung maple info there), but he will ship smaller trees in winter. We LOVE ours.

    Also Norwegian Sunset Maple, and Pacific Sunset Maple are Shantung hybrids with good color. The local botanical garden has about 4" caliper Pacific Sunset Maples in landscape island in the parking lot. NO storm damage, and here's the best part. They were planted and sat the first summer. The second summer half of them grew literally 5-6 FEET in multiple long leaders, that are now branching out the sides. Those long leaders are very impressive, and were not damaged by the ice storm. And half the trees apparently returned to normal growth after just one year even being about 4" in caliper at planting.

    Whatever you do, let us know.
    Arktrees

  • 17 years ago

    I really like Shantung maple, but it should not be considered an overstory tree. It won't replace one of those, which is what you want to keep the house cool, raise your property value, etc. Certainly underplant it on the sunny side of the replacement for the maple.

    Dan

  • 17 years ago

    Most trees in the white oak group are extremely resistant to ice damage, in my experience.

  • 17 years ago

    As I said above, in this type ice storm, pick your Oak it DID NOT MATTER. They went down just like all the rest.