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17 years ago

o.k. everyone, tomorrow is my special day! I get to spluuuuurge! I will be ordering 2 very fragrant Cattelya orchids for indoors...and on the outside I am going to order 4 climbing roses (America, Compassion, Royal Sunset, Pennylane)for the backyard and 1 (Zepherine Drouhin) for the front yard...I only wanted very fragrant climbing roses, and thanks to Zeffyrose on her fragrant climbers, this is what I will be going with:

what does everyone think about this color combination (listed from right to left):

America (tangerine-pink), Compassion (pink), Royal Sunset (cream peach with more yellow to it-think Just Joey) then Pennylane (apricot cream) for the backyard. They will grow right in front of my raised/fenced patio. The Patio holds my 2 tree roses Gemini (pink and cream blush)and Fragrant Cloud (hot coral).If my climbers arrive super big and healthy I will pot some roses onto my patio until I make a new lot (Zeffyrose's Martine Guillot (white) and Just Joey for sure!)

To the right of my climbers and patio are: Lincoln (deep red) with backdrop of brilliant flame orange and pink gladiolus (hurray, the flowers are starting to show) intermingled amongst each other , Tiffany (soft pink), Lincoln (deep red), Aromatherapy (bubblegum pink), Sutter's Gold (sunset yellow/red bicolor). Companion plants will be scented geraniums, nasturtiums, nepeta, marjoram, meadow sage, lavender...

Front yard from left to right... Mountain laurel (pale pink), miniature red-pink rose, thin-leafed rhododendron (looks like an azalea bush in foliage but has very tiny delicate plum flowers), Zepherine Drouhin (my new 2010 climbing rose addition), Sutter's Gold, Queen Elizabeth, Lady Emma Hamilton, Frederick Mistral...) these plants will be mingled with thyme, marjoram, lavender, and verbena...

I have absolutely no idea where my 2 baby bands (Special Occasion are going to go, LOL!) they don't count because they're staying in pots for two years...

Dwarf bee baum won't be anywhere near the roses...but will be tucked at the north side of the house several feet behind the mountain laurel and miniature rose..

o.k. if I have made some horrendous color combos, please SOMEONE SAVE ME FROM THE WORST-DRESSED ROSEBED LIST! lol!

Thanks all!

Comments (11)

  • 17 years ago

    America is a pretty peachy orange but it isn't a good choice for your zone because it will get killed to the ground in the winter. I'm not sure about the other three but when it comes to climbers you should check hardiness first.

  • 17 years ago

    Just please yourself and that will be best. I have also seen roses grow and thrive for one person and not another , I would take alittle extra care of any zone questionable plants and see what happens. :) roseberri

  • 17 years ago

    I hope that what Roseberri was referring to was pleasing yourself with the color mix - and not agreeing that it is ok to plant climbers that are not cane hardy in your zone 5. If you like the colors, mix away. You can always move something later if it seems too jarring a contrast. But take it from someone who had to learn the hard way, climbers that "might" make it in your climate are not worth the years wasted, the love, money and time spent on them to only find that in the end they can only be short shrubs. You really have to go with best in hardiness if you want a climber - I'd choose nothing rated below zone 4 if I were you (and you really should remember that our dear Zeffyrose gardens in a warmer zone than you.) Even in your list of hybrid teas, I would worry over Sutter's Gold. This may not be just what you want to hear, but I hope it saves you some disappointments. You deserve to have the happiness of your "special day" continue on for a long time to come...and I hope it does.

  • 17 years ago

    All you need to know is that there are "cool" pinks (on the lavender/blue side of the color wheel) and "warm" pinks (on the coral/apricot side). For example, Zephie is "cool" and 'Gemini' is "warm"

    Keep the warm pinks away from the cool pinks. Keep the cool pinks away from the yellows, too. Reds are "cool" and "warm" too, but more flexible. Mr. L. is a "ccol" red, but looks good with yellow.

    That's about all that will clash.

  • 17 years ago

    I agree to just please yourself with color mixes. Things can be moved, believe me I know, have moved pleanty of roses.

    annececilia is giving you great advice. You are in a zone 5 and many, many climbers are not cane hardy in your zone. I don't know if the ones you listed are or not but I suspect not.

    Do some research on cane hardy climbers before you plant and save yourself lots of time and aggrevation.

  • 17 years ago

    To check color combos, I take pictures of the roses off the gallery or hmf and put them into a word document or a powerpoint page. That way you can see how the colors look next to each other. You can add the companion plants into that too, but I usually figure the companions plants are on a different level than the roses and anyway the blues/purples seem to be a very safe choice.

    As for those climbers - they aren't supposed to be cane hardy in zone 5. If you've got a sheltered spot or are willing to do some great winter protection, then go ahead and try it. But you might end up with climbers that have to regrow from the ground each year.

  • 17 years ago

    athena, I do that, too, lol! I lack imagination sometimes, so a plan is a good thing.

  • 17 years ago

    I just wanted to thank everyone so much for your very helpful suggestions! I was out yesterday, so I didn't have the chance to write back yet. HoovB, thank you, thank you, thank you for the tips on cool versus warm pinks... The area where the "cool-colored" miniature rose and Zephirine will go will be so pretty with the strong purples and cool pinks! I lined up some of the purples from the meadow sage and veronica I got and man! what a huge difference...I am so excited to plant that I can hardly stand it... and yes, HoovB I am absolutely crazy about both my Lincolns... You are so right in that they are both cool and "hot"! they go with anything under the sun practically...That Lincoln red and the orange of my gladiolus is so striking and just like you described it looks magnificent against yellows and golds as well. Even when I prop up the deep purples just for the heck of it, against the Lincolns, it still looks very attractive...

    I did check the hardiness level of all my climbers and new wish list roses and yes, they all can take zone 5... the only exception as Rita described is Royal Sunset and Sutter's Gold (zone 6 and above)...Not surprisingly they are same lineage... My zone is actually 5/6... There is actually a split in opinion about what zone Kansas is. My nursery calls it 5, garden centers call it 6. Online 70% call it zone 6. I call it zone 5 because even though we have very mild winters (any snow we get immediately melts away within 2 days or less), we will have sudden drastic, unpredictable freezes (that again last a day) in March which wreak havoc for roses. Many roses are fooled into breaking dormancy and that's where the trouble is...

    Rita and AthenCecilia I have to find out how long it takes for a climbing rose to climb back up when it dies to the ground... I will be investing in a lot of winter protection as well...someone from zone 5 was very happy with his Royal Sunset but did mention every year it'd die back to the ground...America is sold in Kansas, so I am assuming it does well here. I really am counting on my Garden-ville sea tea too, Henri...it has been a real miracle worker for me against winter and root trauma...

    Athenainwi, thanks too for your wonderful suggestion...I will need to use your method for several herbs (which are not blooming yet) and for all the new young root roses that I will be getting from Roses Unlimited...What a clever smart idea...

    Roseberri, Greenhaven, and Henri, wish me luck and Powerhouse to Green-ville Sea Tea...(and of course the good 'ole horse manure that I'll be dumping into my new climbing rose lot this winter, lol!) I am not looking forward to that messy endeavor, hee-hee!

  • 17 years ago

    Just because something is sold at a local nursery does not mean it is winter hardy for your zone. Also, in the case of climbers, if its not cane hardy and dies back to the ground and near it, you will never have a climber, only a shrub. So if you need something to go on an arbor or something like that, I would advise you to check very carefully.

  • 17 years ago

    I have had America and it is not reliably cane hardy in Z6b. How do you expect it to be so in Z5?

  • 17 years ago

    Hmmm, good point, Henry and Rita! Henry, I forgot to check your zone and grew complacent since America is sold all over the common garden centers in Kansas and is listed as being able to take Zone 4A according to DavesGarden...

    http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/62274/

    So I definitely have to weigh the consequences and risks... Do I want a shrub rose or a climber... Truth is, all I care is about the health of my rose... If it ends up a healthy shrub, that too is fine, the colors for all the roses are beautiful and would make a lovely addition...but again, looks like I have some major rethinking and research to do before making my order.