I ordered two AV rings from Cape Cod Violetry and just installed them yesterday on my two largest plants. They are wonderful! These two AV's had gotten so large that I was constantly worried about leaves breaking off. The violet rings are just what was needed to keep them flat and stable - and you can't even see the rings under the leaves. Yes, I'm sure I'm not telling any of you anything you don't already know, but I'm delighted with the tips and ideas I get from this forum. I'm not into showing, but I love my AV's (even if they're all Noids)...and wanted to say thanks to all of you I am growing them much better these days. Thanks! :-)