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A Sunday's mental exercise

19 years ago

Hi all,

Here is a little mental exercise for everyone.

your tools;

one pergola 12 x 24 with 6 posts..a middle post already belongs to E, Veyrat Hermanos.

1 crepuscule

1 gloire de dejon

1 celine forestier

1 reine de violettas

1 noella nabannond

1 bouquet d'or

1 pilgrim

1 falstaff

1 MIP (what was I thinking when I took this cutting last year)

1 james galway

1 parade

1 westerland

1 chianti

1 abe darby

1 maggie

1 john hopper

1 illusion

1 sombreuil

2 gold celebration

1 teasing georgia

1 harlequin (kiss of desire)

exercise: cover the pergola in color. Feel free to add clematis as you see fit.

Mari

ps. can you tell I have too many darn climbers?

Comments (9)

  • 19 years ago

    OH OH..forgot...
    add Awakening and Zephy to that list.

    oooops.

  • 19 years ago

    Since you already have E. Veyrat Hermanos, I would limit the color scheme to cream, yellow, gold and pink, both light and dark pink, and, for an accent, purple. I would definitely include Abraham Darby, The Pilgrim, Bouquet d'Or, Celine Forestiere, Golden Celebration, Teasing Georgia, Gloire de Dijon and James Galway. I would not use red or any roses that bloom only once or are stingy bloomers or prone to disease.

    Of course, your tastes may be totally different; I can only suggest what would please me. I think you're going to have lots of fun (and some agony) in making your decisions.

    Ingrid

  • 19 years ago

    I guess the 12 x 24 are width and length. How tall is the pergola? Crepuscule will be up and over the crossbeams soon and then spreading but Celine Forestier is a more mannerly climber in my yard. In 4 years CF didn't grow as tall that would reach the top of the pergola, nor am I sure that Abe Darby would. (I have the first two for approximately 4 years, A. Darby probably 5)
    Zephy will grow very fast.

  • 19 years ago

    Ceterum, oooops...sorry...the pergola is 10 feet tall..and right, it is 24 feet long and 12 wide. Its an old structure that was here before we moved in, in back of the carport. There used to be some HUGE climbing vines on it but of course I prefer roses and clems :)

    Ingrid, thanks. It is driving me NUTS..I change my mind about 5 times a day.

    Mari

  • 19 years ago

    I am very visual, so a photo of the pergola would be of great help.

    I would start with the "biggies"

    Crepuscule
    Glo0ir de Dijon * they even look good close to each other)

    I would put the purple RdV close to them or between Crepuscule and Gloire.Warsaw Nike would be my choice of Clematis intertwined with Crepuscule.

    As you said E, Veyrat Hermanos is already on the middle post, Bouqet d'Or would be -IMH0 - a perfect companion on the next post. Clematis I would choose Perle d'Azure if you want to pair it with EVH, but you can create a dramatic contrast with dark purple clematis, such as Negritinka, Romantika, Trikatrei or Polish Spirit but then if I were you I would plant the dark clematis with Bouquet d'OR.

    At the moment I don't know where would I put Falstaff but I would plant it with Clematis Alba luxurians

    Chianti also would look great with a white clematis but since Chianti is a once bloomer you should search for a long blooming Clem in the viticella or Integriflora group. Integriflora alba blooms from July till September. On the plus side: it is fragrant. Negative: short growing and its shape is similar to Roughoosi.

    Enough for now. Without seeing the scathes I am not able to come up with anything useful.
    And since I didn't sleep at all, I am brain dead.

  • 19 years ago

    That is EXACTLY the kind of input I was looking for..thanks!! I now have an excuse to hunt up more clems (like I need an excuse). I have a Niobi and Ernest Markham I'm trying to place but I have alot more pillars and climbers LOL.

    Mari

  • 19 years ago

    Mari,

    Rule #1: You can NEVER have too many climbers...The sky is the limit...(coming from the king of rebar)...

    I recently built a pergola with, what seems to be, identical dimensions. Onto this pergola I have Reve d'Or, Jaune Desprez, Celine Forestier, and an empty spot for a Crepuscule replacement. I also have a 3-leaf akebia, mandevilla, some variegated jasmine, Clematis "vesuvius" which has been blooming non stop for two months, hyacinth bean, some variegated euonymus. The roses were set back some from the Easter freeze and the three goat escapes this spring, but, now they're taking off. I'm trying to go with gold/apricot/peachy/yellowish roses and deep purple clematis with some other seasonal interests thrown into the mix...

    Robert

  • 19 years ago

    Mari, is John Hopper a climber? I am not familiar with this rose and HMF describes its height as max 5'.

    I think Sombreuil would look gorgeous with either Clematis Niobe or Ernest Markham. The other reddish-dark purple could be paired with a pale pink climber or maybe with a pale yellow. For example Gloire de Dijon in my garden changes color from pale pink to pale yellow (sometimes with a pale apricot hue), so that would be also good with either Niobe or Ernest Markham. Since you already have two Clems in this color range, consider another color for Crepuscule in the color range of Jackmanii or maybe The President instead of Warsaw Nike, I mean try blues or is bluish purples instead of reddish purple.

    I do not know what color Falstaff is in your zone but if it is like Tradescant then check out clematis Florida Sieboldi.

    I have Betty Corning with Zephirine Drouhin and this pair works very well; a plus is that this clematis is fragrant. You do not list Zephy above so if your ZD is already placed somewhere else, you may want to try Betty with Parade. But Betty C. woud work with almost any color, I guess.

    When you place the red climbers, try to put a pale pink or white between them - reds can clash terribly.

    Somehow I cannot visualize Westerland with the other climbers on the same structure. Westerland seems to me too harsh or too modern to be placed with the rest. But it is most probably my fault. However I would put W. as far from the reds as possible if it is placed on the same pergola.
    I am sure you already know the clematis website (http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/) where you can check out all clematis for type, color, size, etc.

    Good root system is very important in case of clematis, so try to get these vines from a reputable clematis nursery. I got my best clematis from Chalk Hill (http://www.chalkhillclematis.com/) and Silver Star Vinery. I think the best to plant clems in the fall or in your zone in winter, but you may want to choose and reserve them earlier and ask for a late fall or early winter delivery.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Silver Star nursery

  • 19 years ago

    Robert..I totall agree...I adore the climbers..of course it helps that down here everything wants to get huge anyway.

    Ceterum..JH is not a climber per se but mine hits 6-7 feet and can easily adorn a pillar. Falstaff has more blue in it than Tradescant and is not as dark. Zephy hasnt been placed yet but I didnt mention her as this is the first year im getting any bloom to speak of and Im not sure I want to put her is such a place of prominence. Next year I may well kick myself LOL.

    Ive gotten a few clems from Chalk Hill but havent tried Silver Star..hmmm..I think I will LOL..thanks!!

    Mari