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????about sugar ... for the gurus

19 years ago

following is a quote from the Backgrounder on Heat Processing from the NCHPF site"

The food factors that will influence the amount of heating needed to kill bacteria include: the consistency of the food; the pH (acidity); and, the presence of nutrients that are "protective" for bacteria (e.g., high protein and sugar levels).

does this mean that too much sugar can prevent the killing of bacteria? Is there a rule of thumb about how much sugar is too much?

I'm asking about the recipe below which is one I would like to continue BWB. I have compared it to recipes from the NCHFP site(http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/publications/uga/uga_can_tom.pdf)and Ball. My recipe has way more vinegar and sugar than either. (I am, after all, Southern and we do like our sweets). THe nchfp recipe has about the same amount of veggies and spices, but calls for 1 1/2 cups of vinegar and 1 1/2 cups sugar.

Chili Sauce

Book: Kay's Pickles and Preserves

Chapter: Relish and Sauces

Makes about 7 pints

20 large ripe tomatoes (1 peck) peeled, cored, seeded, and chopped

6 medium yellow onions chopped

7 hot green peppers chopped

3 tbsps salt

2 teaspoons ground cinnamon

2 teaspoons ground ginger

1/2 teaspoon ground cloves

5 cups sugar

4 cups cider vinegar

combine all ingredients and cook slowly until thick (several hours) stirring frequently to prevent sticking. Seal in hot jars (and process 15 minutes in hot water bath.)

The original recipe was for open kettle.

Comments (5)

  • 19 years ago

    We may need a microbiologist to explain this. There are several Forum members who have a science background.

    As I understand it, bacteria feed on proteins and carbohydrates (i.e. natural sugars). They also like low-acidity and water. Therefore, something like meat is particularly high-risk for bacterial growth if not properly processed.

    Now, the added sugar question. In this case you're providing a low-acid environment through the addition of a great deal of vinegar. Sugar does not change pH, so no worries there. Sugar is also a desiccant. In other words, it reduces the water available to the bacteria. This chili sauce is high-acid, high-sugar and therefore safe.

    I have never heard of any risk associated with too much processed sugar in a recipe (except to your teeth).

    Your recipe is roughly 30 cups of marginal to low-acid veggies (25 c. tomatoes, 4 1/2 c. onions, 3/4 c. hot peppers) to 4 cups vinegar. The NCHFP recipe for Spicy Chili Sauce is 20 cups product to 1 1/2 cups vinegar, so your recipe is, if anything, even "more safe." (A paradox, but I'll let it stand.)

    What can happen is the density is greater due to all the sugar and that might mean a longer processing time. You could always increase to 20 minutes for more comfort. It won't hurt the sauce.

    (With all that sugar cook it down far enough and you'll have tomato jam!)

    Carol

  • 19 years ago

    I'm assuming you meant to say high-acid in this sentence?
    "In this case you're providing a low-acid environment through the addition of a great deal of vinegar."

    The waist-line might also feel the effects of so much sugar. It's surprising that I like this recipe so much. I'm normally a heavy-on-the-salt person, but my relishes all tend to be sweet. Ah well, I'll use most of it in lieu of ketsup on hot dogs and hamburgers and that spreads consumption out over a year

    Thanks so much for the info and thanks for using layman's terms. (I cooked one batch waaaay down and it did resemble jam -- the hot dogs loved it.)

  • 19 years ago

    Well, shoot. Yes, I meant to say high-acid. Glad you caught that.

    Carol

  • 19 years ago

    Sugar, like salt can be used to prevent spoiling. This is why most jams and jellies seem to last forever without spoiling. Things like 'candied citron' are fruits that are left in sugar to help them remain stable without spoiling. High acid also helps to preserve foods. A few other ways are to brine cure, salt cure, dry (dehydrate), sulfur treat, and even nitrates for curing meats. Then we get down to smoking some foods.. Low/no sugar jams usually spoil if they are left out too long, even if they contain a high acid.

  • 19 years ago

    Salt tightens water so it is unavailable to bacteria and fungi, sugar do the same.
    You can control bacteria by keeping Ph at 4,5or lower, lowering water activity (salt sugar),