It could be a carrie. The style of leaf/branch looks somewhat typical of a carrie. Can you zoom out and show the entire tree?

Jeff

They are not shaped like the fruit on my Carrie tree which are rounder and have a fuller form. Those actually look much more like my Rosigold's fruit. On the other hand, the even green color looks about right for a Carrie.

Carrie leaves are usually a little wider. Its one of the few trees that can be usually identified without seeing the fruit.

The fruit in the picture looks kind of like Springfels.

More pictures as the fruits develop might help.

Nancy:

Well....the short answer is that it doesn't look exactly like mine. I generally agree with all of the comments posted above by Tony, Jeff and Squam. Here's what mine looks like.

The problem is that many varieties look generally like this at this stage of the growing season. While I would not categorically rule out it being a Carrie....you are rightly concerned to question it. Time will tell for sure. Keep us posted.

Harry

Thanks for all responses...since my last experience with Carrie (about 9-10 years ago) was a BAD one, I actually wouldn't mind if its not a Carrie...I will however update "if" the fruits continue to develop and post pictures.

Harry, yours definitely looks a lot different than mine right now...will see if it changes in a few weeks.

Jeffhagen...here's the picture of the tree...this tree has been through a lot and had some issues with dieback and also was freeze damaged at least 3 different winters...because of it the tree is very small/short for a tree that is almost 6 years old. It was in a pot for at least 3 years before planting in the ground.

Nancy...now that I see the tree I am more inclined to think that yours is something other than Carrie. Again, nothing absolutely conclusive, but that is the way I'd be leaning. Notice in my picture the way the leaves are held on the branch and the length of the leaves. Yours seems very different.

Harry

Id put my money on Carrie, the second pic is definitely skewed making it appear elongated instead of ovoid, which is normal shape for a ripening carrie. the last pic of the tree itself looks like my carrie, growth habit, very broad leaves and the same color growth flush.

try crushing up one of its leaves and see if you can detect Carries twang in its essential oils

Thanks for your observations Harry.

MK, I crushed one of the mature leaves and I didn't detect the Carry twang scent on it? It smelled similar to my other mango leaves...I'll post a picture in a couple of weeks when the fruit gets a little more size.

Nancy

I took this today just to update since its grown a little more.

Carrie

Lol.. I think its time for a renaming of that tree.

Do you have any more current pics of the fruit?

Yah that's certainly not a carrie.

Jeff

I vote not a Carrie. I have never seen a Carrie mango with any blush color to the skin or so smooth. My Carrie mangoes are always green that changes to a more yellow-green hue when ripe. The skin is not pretty and smooth like that mango. My Carrie mangoes are somewhat bumpy/irregular and fairly ugly looking and the flesh is an orange sherbet color The tree itself is hard to tell from the picture of the foliage. I hope you really like this mango even if it isn't a Carrie... and if it's a Carrie....It's time for a new real Carrie Tree in your yard!!

I agree with the majority, I don't think it's a Carrie ..

I'd be tempted to say it's a cogshall.

Jeff

I noticed the red on green blush too, Carries turn yellow before they get orange blush

Thanks for all your responses and opinions!

I would actually not be disappointed if it wasn't a Carrie...since my only memory of Carrie mangoes were very unpleasant,lol...and hearing about picking them just at the right time so they don't have that "medicine or herb" taste has me worried as well.

Here's a couple more pictures I took today...I only have very few mangoes on this tree so I don't have a lot of pictures to take.

This is from a different angle of that first picture I posted.

Jeff, I have 2 Cogshall trees already and one of them has fruits on them, they do look similar but yet a little different? That would be fine too since they were very good last year. I guess when they ripen I will definitely be able to tell if its a Cogshall or not.

The last pic it looks like Valencia Pride. I vote either Valencia Pride or Springfels.

Hi Squam...I don't think its a Valencia pride mostly because the tree is NOT a vigorous grower. As a matter of fact it's always been a very slow grower from day one and the growth habit is basically short (definitely leaning towards a dwarf or semi dwarf)variety I think (trunk is very short too) even though its been nailed by 3 freezes in a row...Could be a sprinfels? I guess I'll have to wait a little longer to find out. I think its kind of fun and exciting, guessing what it might be...kind of like a mystery mango novel :o)

I'll definitely post more pics "if" it matures...to be continued!

Springfels isn't a terribly vigorous grower......the original tree in West Palm Beach is maybe 20 feet tall at 90+ years old.

Here's a pic I took of some developing fruit from that tree. The fruit in the very first pic you posted reminded me of it:

Wow...that does look very similar? Did you like the taste of them or is this the first time your tree is fruiting? I'm definitely not familiar with this variety other than googling it today when you mentioned it.

Pug, that's not from my tree.....that's from the original tree on Charles Springfel's former property in West Palm Beach. That tree was planted in 1919. Still produces well though.

Its not a popular variety anymore; its a decent tasting mango though and is a large late-season variety with good productivity and fungus resistance. Pine island claims to carry it and I believe Zill's still propagates it as I saw a Zill Springfels tree at the USF Spring Plant Sale in Tampa a few weeks ago.

Lancetilla is another possibility I just thought of as well.

When your fruit ripens will help tell what it is...the fruit probably still has a ways to go until it reaches maturity and forms up a little more.

Oops...sorry about that! I just reread your post and realized you said it was from the tree from West Palm Beach.

I purchased this tree in '06 from a Mom and Pop small nursery on 8th street in Miami when I lived there. It came with a "Carrie" tag on it but know how easily tags can get switched. I'm pretty excited to find out exactly what I have now...can't wait to taste it.

Might not be Lancetilla as the fruit looks pretty small compared to the pictures I've seen? Its probably only a small chance its Sprinfels...but you never know.

Definitely not a VP. The VP has that unique 'lip' where the stem connects to the mango. I'm not familiar with springfels, but from the pictures, the leaves look different. I vote cogshall with slightly less color due to semi-shade. My cogshall has that wavy sort of leaf too.

Jeff

Hi Jeff, you're right the leaves don't look the same as the Springfels leaves...the mystery continues. I agree it definitely can't be Valencia Pride...will update!

Two weeks later...the mango is getting a little more plump filling out but still quite hard. Can't wait to taste it, the mystery is killing me!

I took these yesterday...

would any body lend me some mango cuttings... im not picky so if you had any would you help my cause.
thankyou patricio

Nancy...did you ever eat these mangoes?

Harry

Hi Harry...Funny you should ask. Just yesterday I picked the very first one (actually when I touched it) it fell so I think its very close to being ripe. It does have a black spot towards the end of the fruit. I will give it another day or two since I still see some green on it. I will post pictures once I open and taste it...I'm really leaning "visually" to Cogshall...

What do you think? Thanks Harry!

Its appx. 6" long and the color and shape looks very similar to my Cogshall...

Yeah...looks pretty Cogshallish from here. This year my Cogshalls all matured and ripened early and had a big problem with that same rot at the bottom. I didn't spray this year. The fruit are large enough so even if you have to cut the bottom off, there's still plenty to enjoy....as long as you get even ripening. That becomes the challenge. Oh well...happy tasting. Won't be long now.

Harry

My Cogshall flowered again and has little fruitlets developing now. They are all the size of a quarters now. Is this kind of late for Cogshall to be developing fruit???

Thanks Harry!

Hi Marin, Its definitely late for them...since they're suppose to be considered an early mango variety (June-July) but I think you'll be fine. I just checked my pictures and they were quarter size around the middle of April. So it took less than 3 months to get to this size and I still have several that are still green...so at least 2 more weeks or more for those. At that time frame I think you'll be fine, yours should ripen around mid September or so..So for you your Cogshall will be a late variety this year,lol...Keep us posted!

Okay...my so called "Carrie" is definitely a Cogshall. At least I'm 99% sure...as sure as I can be. Here's what the mango looked like after I cut it open today...Excellent!

Mmmmmm....!

Josh

That looks awesome!

BTW, I tasted my first Carrie last week (from Bill Bates' place). I think it could have done with one more day on the tree to ripen. But I let it soften on my counter for a couple days. When I tasted it, I could see how Carrie could be both spectacular and bad. The flesh in this particular fruit was very variable, like it ripened unevenly. Some parts tasted great, complex and sweet. Other parts tasted pretty terrible, both piney and chalky. So I'm glad it isn't a variety I chose to grow in my limited space, seems too tricky to ripen perfectly. I'd rather have fruit that are consistently good. So anyhow, glad you aren't disappointed that yours turned out to be a Cogshall.

Yeah, the Carrie is too variable. I've found the flesh very pasty and the flavor not all it is chalked up to be. I would not buy a Carrie mango tree.

I love Carrie. One of my favorites. Just goes to show how palates vary ...

Thanks everyone! YES, I really am glad this one didn't turn out to be Carrie. Like Sunw, I also have limited space due mostly to my winter freezes, so having a mango that I don't like is a waste for me.

Sleep, I DO agree taste is very subjective. I'm sure there are Carries out there that taste wonderful unfortunately, I haven't had one of them,lol...

Anyone who says they don't like Carrie has only tasted ones that are a bit under or over ripe and then they taste a bit piney. Perfectly ripened OFF THE TREE they are very sweet & indulgent and have soft buttery melting flesh and deserve the #1 flavor rating that many people give them. Admittedly the "window" for Carrie being at it's peak might be a bit narrower than other varieties, thus the reason for the discrepancies in opinions.

Puglvr,

Wow, I didn't know that mangoes can fruit this time of the year. All my mangoes were done with their blooming and fruiting this year, I think. Unfortunately, only my Pickering and Cogshell produced some fruit this year. I've been very pleased with my Pickering. Actually it was a variety recommended by you and I'm so happy with it. I got a dozen fruit from it this year and last year too (don't remember how many), but I had quite many that I gave some away. Cogshell is the other that has produced a few fruit, but unfortunately they were stolen by those yard robbers.

I agree that Carrie is a difficult tree as far as fruit production is concerned. Each year, mine would bloom a lot, but only a few fruit form and they either drop off immaturely, or if close to harvest time, got "robbed." I won't know by looking at your picture, but I'll try to take a picture tomorrow and post it so you can take a look at it to see if there's any similarity between yours and mine.

@Bananafan - Keitt is still producing, but about the only one that is. If you want to taste a Keitt one you can get them in the stores now. Good tasting reliable producing fruit, but of course the steam bathed ones in the store from Mexico won't be quite as good but it will give you an idea what they taste like. Anyone who is going to have 3-4 mango trees should include a Keitt to extend their season to early fall.

With experience I have come to add a lot more brownie points for varieties that reliably give you fruit every year rain or shine. I get a lot of people asking me why other people have lots of mangos on their trees some years and they don't have any. While there can be many reasons why, it still boils down to making sure you have at least one reliable producing variety in your yard (i.e. Glenn, Valencia Pride, etc.) so you don't get totally stiffed on Mangos some years. Some varieties can be notoriously tempermental especially on the northern limits for Mango's range.

Thanks, Nighthawk. I really appreciate your feedback. I sure will be looking at Keitt as it's always nice to see some fruit production when the others have all stopped. By the way, is Keitt a dwarf or semi dwarf? For now, space wise, I can only take in a small size plant.

At the moment, I have Carrie, Choc-Anan, Cogshell, Pickering, Nam Doc Mai and Coconut cream. Everything's in the ground except Nam Doc Mai. So far, as I've indicated before only Pickering is the most reliable of the lot. The others that attempted to fruit are Carrie and Cogshell. The others are doing nothing. Choc-Anan is the most susceptible to Antracnoze, but it came around it and has flushed and show more growth in the past couple of months. If I can receive some feedback on the performance on the varieties I have, I'm seriously considering cutting back on some and growing the more reliable ones.

Puglvr, here's a couple pictures of my Carrie. Due to my narrow walk way, I had to trim off some of the lower branches because they were brushing on to me every time I walk pass by. After hearing the discussions on this variety, I'm wondering if I'm wasting time planting it. I planted it in 2007, but I do feel sorry for it because it was moved a couple of times before it finally settled down here.

@bananafan - a Keitt isn't huge, but it is a full sized scraggly mango tree. As far as your Carrie goes don't listen to the idiot detractors. There is a good reason why Carrie consistently wins taste test competitions. Carrie lovers outnumber the haters 10 to 1.

The problem is the Carrie haters they don't know when to pick or how to ripen Carrie just like the Mallika haters. Carrie should be picked early at the first color break and allowed to ripen on the kitchen counter never on the tree. Ripened properly a Carrie is a top tier mango for flavor. Ripened improperly it has a piney aftertaste just like other varieties do.

Carrie is one of the best compact varieties. You just have to learn your mango and avocado tree varieties on when to harvest them and judge them for peak ripeness. Each variety can be different,

People shouldn't expect their Mango or Avocado trees to produce for at least 4-5 years even if in somes cases it's less than that,

Has your Choc anon ever produced fruit in the winter as they claim?